Yeah, and a side effect of refuting gosh gallop, if you even can, is that you end up wasting your time on the floor instead of discussing your points.

I firmly believe you have identified the correct answer.

A lot of other song suggestions in this thread are actually decent and come down to taste, but this fucking song came to mind immediately.

I couldn’t stomach watching that first debate, so I wasn’t sure if you were messing around.

You were not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUtVNEl9aJE

Yeah, this is just down there with the right making fun of Kamala’s laugh.

Al Davis

Davis was active in civil rights, refusing to allow the Raiders to play in any city where black and white players had to stay in separate hotels.[3][4][5] He was the first NFL owner in the modern era to hire a black head coach (Art Shell),[6][7] the first to hire a female chief executive (Amy Trask),[8] and the first NFL owner to hire a Latino head coach (Tom Flores).[9] He remains the only executive in NFL history to be an assistant coach, head coach, general manager, commissioner, and owner.[10][11][12]

Apparently his father was a pretty cool guy, advocated for civil rights by refusing to play in cities with segregation.

FWIW I didn’t down vote you, but I don’t think all malice is equal. Driving with a heart condition or narcolepsy and killing someone isn’t the same as driving through a crowd to get revenge.

Yeah, I just don’t see the comparison the OP made here. I’m willing to relent that Britain has done more harm than good to India but I’m no expert so I’d defer to someone smarter here.

But the even crazier thing is that the article isn’t even talking about famine caused by the British Raj… No, they’re saying Churchill was the aggressor and Hitler was pushed into a fight he didn’t want. And the craziest part is the statement that the concentration camps were mercy kills to prevent starvation.

Looked it up, referring to this?

Churchill’s policies to blame for millions of Indian famine deaths, study says

I think the major difference here is malice. Did Churchill set out cause these deaths or was it greed and/or stupidity? Honest question worth discussion, I haven’t heard of this prior.

I don’t normally reply with something so blunt but this is a pretty shitty comment. This kind of half speak rhetoric is a major issue causing misinformation and its usage is far too pervasive.

And I’m not even saying you’re wrong but if you want to prove the point the burden is on you.

I don’t think it bodes well she sat with Putin at a conference, whether there was “language barriers” or not.

Saying the article is old is like saying don’t bring up Reaganomics… the impacts are still being felt, there’s still relevance.

And I linked it to suggest that these fringe candidates are still being picked and losing, perhaps as a long term effect of the strategy.

They may have had help:

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Feels like something the EU would eventually work on settling: making all tool manufacturers have a non-proprietary connector.