The Jelly Star is even smaller and released last year. Not that I would recommend it to anyone concerned with updates or custom ROM support, because it probably won’t get any lol

He wants a small/compact phone

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood what you were trying to say. I interpreted that quote from you as suggesting the last true compact Android phones (the Xperia Compacts and, to a lesser extent, the S10e) don’t have custom ROM support. If you were instead saying the most recently released “compact” phones (which are really just medium-sized phones) don’t have custom ROM support, then that would also be partially incorrect since the Pixel A series is widely supported and the Xperia 5 III has official LineageOS support.

They specifically said “not second hand” so I assumed not.

Compact phones are dead now and the last ones don’t even seem to support degoogled custom ROMs.

The XZ2 Compact still has LineageOS and DivestOS support and there are ongoing unofficial iodéOS builds for the XZ1 Compact (which I am using). The S10e has decent support too, although it’s a bit larger. But yes, modern compacts are dead in the traditional form factor - it’s now flips or a niche micro-brand phone like the Unihertz Jelly series.

Yes, that is too old for a new phone considering it’s already past its end-of-life for both official support and your OS. I’m not sure why you’d recommend them to buy new either - a phone like that is only going to be good value if you pick up a used one for cheap. A new model will be massively overpriced for what it is (and may not even be new, just refurbished and repackaged).

They unfortunately seem to thing my curiosity represents some hostility

Last time we had a disagreement you labelled me obtuse, asked if I was thick, then called me a “right wing troll” who was interacting in “bad faith”. In this thread you asked for sources, asked for more sources, refused to read any of them and instead repeatedly deflected with a whataboutism. So no, I don’t think you’re “just curious” and I think it is pretty understandable why I would disengage from the conversation when you appear to be taking it down exactly the same route again.

Hopefully the “ABC News” bit is just branding, rather than implying the scope of the checking. The ABC has started putting some things under its “ABC News” banner in recent years, I guess to indicate that they are a serious and trusted source of information.

Read this.

Articles mentioned in there:

• The Health Risks of Electronic Cigarette Use to Bystanders
• Estimation of the dose of electronic cigarette chemicals deposited in human airways through passive vaping
• Effects of Involuntary Smoking and Vaping on the Cardiovascular System

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/passive-smoking-and-vaping

Obvs this stuff is reaching

Well at least you acknowledge this. Note that I said “direct”; this was for a reason. All of the consequences you listed require extreme examples and a timeline of events, whereas even the most casual of smokers or vapers can immediately affect the health of those around them.

The problem is this applies equally well to stuff like eating fast food or not doing cardio 3x a week.

Neither of those behaviours have any direct impact on my health. Even alcoholics don’t directly affect the health of those around them by drinking in public.

But after that people are ultimately free to make bad choices

Vapers would still be free to make bad choices and hurt those around them under this new policy. No one is taking away vapes, just like no one took away cigarettes.

Vaping becoming socially acceptable and widespread has been fucking annoying as an asthmatic, so I am please to see that we’re entering a period where the health risks are being better examined and governments are starting to regulate. Social policymaking is always difficult, but it’s a start and hopefully can be improved and refined in the future. A solution having potentially unintended consequences is not a reason to avoid attempting to solve the problem altogether. I also don’t buy this libertarian “any restriction of my freedom is bad” argument when the behaviour in question is anti-social and harmful.

It’s for attention. This group, in particular, always goes for high profile stunts that they know will get widespread media coverage. They targeted Wimbledon and the Ashes last year. Another group glued themselves to the road during the men’s road cycling World Championships and the race had to be stopped for ages because they took so long to be removed.

It is the behaviour of people who have become so obsessed with and radicalised by a single issue that they are willing to disrupt, damage or destroy literally anything else even to move the needle slightly. Those vegan protestors who repeatedly target restaurants and make life hell for the employees and owners have the same mental condition.

an iPhone comes clean out of the box

How does it come “clean out of the box” when you literally just said it requires modifications to the settings to improve its privacy?

at least there’s no vendor garbage

Samsung and Xiaomi apps are vendor-specific and can be disabled, even without the use of UAD (which works fine, not sure why you’re lying about that).

unlike an Android where you’ll be forced into a 3rd party tool or a ROM like GrapheneOS if you want a clean experience.

GrapheneOS is available as an option because Android has an open-source basis. Remind me which alternative privacy OS Apple allows third party developers to create for iPhone? Which iPhone did they allow users to install this imaginary privacy OS on?

You also are sure that your apps won’t be able to get system-wide access

Android applications have been sandboxed for several versions now.

I’m not saying that Apple doesn’t track things, because they do, but at least there’s no vendor garbage and you can go through the Settings and disable everything you don’t need, restrict Apps from running in the background etc.

Did you make a mistake here? You are describing an Android device. You can even remove apps entirely from a device with a tool like Universal Android Debloater, and Android allows alternative app stores so you don’t need to rely on a heavily limited selection of proprietary apps.

I don’t get why millennials and older generations mock zoomers for these trends. What’s wrong with enjoying old technology and childhood nostalgia? People are so needlessly petty when it comes to younger generations and their interests.