The path to changing the system is the one Trump took, not the one Ross Perot did.

Americans are deeply frustrated with politics. They see the country heading in the wrong direction. They are regularly forced to choose between two candidates they don’t particularly like. Between 40 and 50 percent of the country identifies not as Democrat or Republican but as independent.

Here is what it takes to get on the ballot in Pennsylvania. Read through that, noting the difference between candidates for “political parties” and “minor political parties.” Imagine you are thinking about putting forth a challenge to an incumbent state officeholder but don’t want to run as a Democrat or a Republican. What are the odds that you get tripped up by the rules?

The problem, of course, is that Americans have strong views about specific things on which they are often not going to be willing to compromise. The Forward essay criticizes the far left for wanting to get rid of guns and the far right for wanting to get rid of gun laws. But that’s not where the parties are, because the parties are responsive to the coalitions they’ve built. If you simply take some independents and sit them down — much less partisans! — you’re going to very quickly find a lot of important issues on which there is not a reachable consensus. Then what?

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    3·
    3 months ago

    The two big brands are malignant monopolies that nobody likes? That’s exactly how free market capitalism works.

  • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    32·
    3 months ago

    This is an older article, but it’s relevant to what’s going on right now. My analysis follows in this comment:

    1. Third Parties don’t work in the USA. Quite simply, it goes back to my whole ‘100 kid SGA election’ example. Even if Bookish Girl was 100% legit and was really running to keep Nerd Boy from winning because he’s actually a bad guy, he’d be a spoiler to her if she was the one with 48 votes behind her name and bookish nerd boy had 3 voting for him. But the example of being picked by Cheerleader to siphon away 3 votes from Nerd Boy so Cheerleader could win is exactly how Jill Stein and the Green Party are working. It was exactly how (RFK) Junior was running, until it became clear he was going to attract more votes from Trump than Harris, and what is he doing? Getting out of the race so he doesn’t get Harrs elected!

    2. Third parties have the problem of not forming a broad consensus. Americans are stuck in their ways, and like their parties. Even the liberals are conservative in the notion of ‘going with what just works.’ Forming a broad consensus is necessary to win in the model of government we have, which is why we’ve had two major parties since right after our founding.

    3. There is a real faction of ‘ratfuckers’ who are here to split our vote and disrupt our election. Their goal is the conversion of the USA into a Fascist state, and they will use every tool in the box to fuck us out of our votes and fuck us into the Fascist state they want, and Third Parties are one of those tools.

    If you want real change to the USA, you’ve got to do what Trumpets did – take over the other major party in America, build a coalition by growing beyond your single issue, and slowly but surely turn the party into the vehicle for your ideals. If you can’t convince more than a fringe party that your ideas are good and worth running on, you won’t win in America, or, frankly, anywhere else.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      52·
      3 months ago

      Inb4 .ml downvote brigade arrives :/

      It’s really frustrating knowing how many people just refuse to understand the 3p dynamic here in the states, and as a result, vote in ways that are ultimately actively harmful to their own interests and goals.

      • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        31·
        3 months ago

        I find that they get outshouted roughly on a 2 to 1 ratio if engagement from the rest of Lemmy is good about posting/interacting. That tells me I’m doing a better job of connecting to people and pushing the ideas I want pushed. It’s a small effort, but I’m just one person, but if we end up with Harris this November and Trump and his shitheads are sent packing, all’s good, as an old German textbook I had was titled (“Alles Gute” but same deference).

        Thanks for replying!