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      Thanks. I respect what biden did for his son because the republicans would do (have done?) the same shit.

      What I don’t respect is the endless wars of imperialism, the genocide, the handing over power peacefully to overt fascists, and biden not doing a single fucking thing while he’s a lame duck to protect us from the incoming government.

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        I do not respect what Biden did for his son because Biden did not do the same thing for every other person who suffered from republican (and democrat) policies. Primarily black inmates including those who suffered false trials.

        Joe Biden did not save Marcellus Williams who was actually innocent.

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          The only reason I have respect for it is because for once democrats aren’t the party of piety and taking the high road. It’s actually a bit refreshing seeing them muck around in the mud.

          You’re totally right though. A whole lot of people should be getting pardoned for the drug war biden himself was responsible for condoning as a senator for decades. But then how would the prisons and those who contract with them for slave labor profit? Will anyone think of the poor investors?

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        By that logic you’d respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.

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          Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.

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        What can he even do, short of doing the exact same thing Trump did on Jan 6th and essentially starting off open, armed conflict? Anything he tries to pass now will be immediately thrown out after Jan 20th. Increase SCOTUS seats? GOP will either just undo it or add even more to counteract it. He can’t make new laws, he can only do executive orders, which Trump can easily undo. So again, that leaves only violence, and we all know that won’t play out well, since that’d pretty much require Biden to kill off enough politicians, including Trump and Vance, to give the Democrats the majority in both the House and Senate. Outside of being unlikely, that sets a really dangerous precedent that would definitely backfire down the road.

        Bottom line is that politicians aren’t going to fix this, since the root of the problem lies within the electorate.

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          I would say at least the good portion of blame falls on our voting and economic system. We did not create the systems that oppress us, that would be the 1%.

          Perhaps this is why slave rapist Thomas Jefferson said “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion”.

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          The root of the problem is capitalism and imperialism, and the only way out at this point is a general wildcat strike and then violence. This country will never unify under labor power so violence it is.

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            I’d argue it’s capitalism without guardrails for consumer and worker protections that’s more problematic than capitalism itself. Just like with socialism, if it isn’t implemented and/or continually protected correctly, it eventually spirals into degeneracy.

            And I’d like for society to avoid violence as much as possible. Anyone that throws that out as an option without heavy hesitation are those that haven’t experienced the horrors of open warfare/ violence at scale.

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              Capitalism with guardrails and protections just hasn’t advanced to late stage yet. It is a temporary state.

              See the repeal of glass steagall act in 1999. Yes in 1933 when the act was originally passed, guardrails were implemented. Guess what, they got removed.

              Reforming capitalism is a temporary measure. Externalizing the consequences of capitalism to future generations.

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                That primarily happens due to voters going against their own interests. If society actively undermines their own protections eventually, then no economic and/or governing system will solve that problem.

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              I’m not saying I support it, I’m saying that’s what’s going to happen. We’ve had numerous options for off ramps from this hot mess but the democrats block any kind of left wing legislation and improvement of people’s lives. They’re frauds who protect their class interests above all else. They’re not gonna do shit about fascism.