It’s almost as if corporate media is biased towards corporations over workers 🤔
This is why the right (and the Enlightened Centrists ™ ) get so flummoxed if you ask them just where IS this supposed “liberal media” I hear so much about?
It definitely is not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, NPR, PBS…
where IS this supposed “liberal media” I hear so much about?
It definitely is not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, NPR, PBS…
Yeah, it is. Liberal ≠ Left wing
Neoliberalism (which is the kind of liberalism practiced in the US) is a center right to right wing ideology.
Just because something is to the left of literal fascism doesn’t mean it’s left of center.
Neoliberal ≠ Left wing
FTFY
Same difference since today’s liberals are Neoliberals.
Neoliberalism is a perversion of liberalism. It is not the evolution and certainly not the natural progression of liberal thought.
It is a excuse looking for a rationalization. An offshoot no normal liberal would approve of. They are like that weird stranger who thinks numbers will fix everything.
The liberties that original liberalism introduced are so basic that they’re now taken for granted by all but the extreme Right.
The founding fathers were classic liberals and still most major them owned slaves and none of them would give them up during their own lifetime. While mostly very progressive for their time, they would be considered very conservative today.
You’re right about one thing: Neoliberalism IS a perversion of liberalism and it’s NOT natural. That doesn’t change that it’s the kind of liberalism that exists today and that “liberal” and “on the left” are objectively mutually exclusive.
It is a excuse looking for a rationalization. An offshoot no normal liberal would approve of. They are like that weird stranger who thinks numbers will fix everything.
That’s how it was in the 80s/late 70s when Neoliberalism was pioneered by the likes of Reagan and Thatcher. Nowadays, both of them would be considered to the Left of most Democrats and yes, all liberals.
You’re simply using the false definition of “anyone to the Left of Republicans” that billionaire-owned media have been drilling into your head in support of the false dichotomy of the two party system being absolute.
The biggest right wing party of Australia is called the Liberal Party and guess what? They’re not the ones who are confused about what contemporary liberalism is.
Granted, the fact that Neoliberalism is inherently authoritarian, which is by definition illiberal on the other axis DOES add to the confusion, but on the left-right economic axis, Liberals are firmly to the right or they aren’t liberals.
You might be thinking of social democrats rather than liberals tbh 🤷
Liberalism thought leads to concepts like social democracy. I get it is popular to shit on liberalism by the edge lords nowadays but it really doesn’t makes sense. My personal opinion is the whole anti liberal thing is just Russian propaganda.
Other parties using words like liberal and perverting it doesn’t prove anything. Need I remind you the Nazi called themselves Natural Socialist German Worker Party. So I guess we can’t use socialist or worker rights anymore by this same logic.
You speak of falling for propaganda but the whole concept our country has been drifting right is an illusion. Our country was always right and designed to suppress liberalism from the start. It was always liberalism in name only and anti-liberal in practice.
Once you realize we have been gamed from the start and the country was designed by the rich for the rich the sooner you can drop the fantasy about our country drifting to the right.
In fact we have always been right and at moments in history paid lip service to the left. I totally get this frustrates you and it should. Shitting on liberalism doesn’t solve anything as it is not the real problem.
I’m not really sure why tankies are so bent on hammering liberal into a right wing tool. It is not
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Neoliberals are rich and/or influential in higher echelon.
There are regular liberals. Who are definately left to far left of center. We’re just more neutral to the economic system and more into preserving human rights.
There are regular liberals. Who are definately left to far left of center.
Those aren’t liberals. You’re conflating what the word means with the incorrect usage of the billionaire-owned media.
Here’s Phil Ochs accurately describing liberals from a Left point of view
We’re just more neutral to the economic system and more into preserving human rights.
That doesn’t make any sense in a capitalist world where a lot if not MOST human rights violations are allowed to go unpunished because of economic considerations. It’s just as bad as the “social liberal economic conservative” bullshit.
That doesn’t make any sense in a capitalist world where a lot if not MOST human rights violations are allowed to go unpunished because of economic considerations. It’s just as bad as the “social liberal economic conservative” bullshit.
It makes perfect sense when the main economic system isn’t changing anytime soon and that humans won’t just magically become not shitty if changed to another one
Ah, I see. The “ignore the majority of the world’s injustice because it’s not easy to overcome” school of ethics. Never been an adherent of that particular dogma myself…
Not saying ignore it I’m saying be realistic. I’m saying work with whats possible now. Communism is what comes after you’ve already solved the world’s problems
Remember the right-wing frenzy over “Rich Men North of Richmond”?
Oliver Anthony almost immediately clarified that Trump and Republicans were *also" the people he was talking about…
This is the danger of Dems moving “to the right”. They’re doing it on topics that lots of rural voters already hate that Republicans do.
The only people happy with the Dems move to the right is wealthy donors. It doesn’t gain any ground with voters, just normalizes the shitty stuff republicans do and gives more credence to one of the most common reasons eligible voters don’t vote:
Who am I supposed to vote for? The Republican who’s blasting me in the ass or the Democrat who’s blasting me in the ass?
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But…the price of eggs!
I thought everything donvict did was for the little guy!
trumpf: “I’m going to end tax on overtime!”
me: probably just code for ending OT entirely…
today: jc
You are trying to tell me, that Americans don’t get paid for overtime? Not getting paid 3, 2 or at least 0.5 times more, like the civilised world, but nothing? So they are working for free. What’s that called again?
I think the rich get overtime pay
The rich have their money working overtime.
I mean they have salaries so this doesn’t affect them at all.
I don’t wish multiple gout-related limb amputations on many people, buuuut…
Imagine if those millions lined up outside the courthouse with pitch forks and torches.
