• orrk@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      well, show me who you can vote for, that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in, who isn’t supporting Israel.

      America currently has the choice of literal fascist takeover, or just milk-toast “liberal” policy.

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        3 months ago

        To your first point, there are none unless you’re willing to vote third party.

        To your second point, I disagree. Fascism isn’t some specter on the horizon. It’s already here, and the only choice is between the flavors that have been forced upon us.

        In the US, milque-toast liberal policy is fascist. Look at the costs of health care and education, the astronomical spending on war, the patronage of the big banks and exemptions they receive for their crimes, and the deliberate and escalated impoverishment of the poor and milddle class. (Not to mention the continued and escalated militarization of the police.)

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            3 months ago

            What did I say that’s factually incorrect?

            The positions of the Democrats and Republicans are literally the same on the issue of Israel. (And others, if we’re going off their record.)

            For instance, Joe Biden has been a vocal supporter of militarized police. He even mocked the Defund movement in his first SOTU speech.

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                  3 months ago

                  I think a decent amount of people have quit. It hasn’t been enough because the pushback from Biden’s administration in ignoring them is pretty stubborn and strong. I think both parties have divided on this but I feel like a larger portion of Democrats, when compared to Republicans, are pro-Palestinian or at least were opposed enough to the bloodshed to quit their posts. The views of these two groups should not be expected to be generalizable at such a critical and decisive time.

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                    3 months ago

                    I’m looking not at the personal stand some have taken, but the effects of the party’s action in whole.

                    It’s just no different from Republicans. Democrats say they oppose Israeli genocide, but they make sure the money and weapons flow into it, so to me, the words and symbolic actiosn ring hollow.

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      3 months ago

      On some level I like to believe many people think of it as a disqualifying issue but recognize that this is a bad time and a bad system to disqualify anyone.

      That is entirely the fault of the faulty democratic system. Voters like to think they have the power but they don’t have much in America. They can’t even all swing to a third candidate and vote for them.