If you think this post would be better suited in a different community, please let me know.

Topics could include (this list is not intending to be exhaustive — if you think something is relevant, then please don’t hesitate to share it):

  • Moderation
  • Handling of illegal content
  • Server structure (system requirements, configs, layouts, etc.)
  • Community transparency/communication
  • Server maintenance (updates, scaling, etc.)
Cross-posts
  1. https://sh.itjust.works/post/27913098
  • just_another_person@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    12 days ago

    It could be costly in a few places, so choose your host wisely:

    • data ingress/egress
    • storage (block and DB)
    • load balancing (if you choose to go that route)

    I know that R2 has no charge for ingress/egress.

    The block and db costs are technically unbounded, and will never decrease by default.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        11 days ago

        I’d look into Hetzner, their pricing is pretty fair and they have some nifty features.

        Also check out Vultr, they have block storage and some interesting addons.

        That’s where I’d start, but I haven’t needed to host anything like Lemmy.

    • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      1·
      12 days ago
      • data ingress/egress
      • storage (block and DB)

      Do you have any estimations on the relationship between user count and average data transfer rates, and the average rate of storage increase?

      • just_another_person@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        12 days ago

        It would depend completely on how many users you let in and what kind of things they’ll be doing. Some users are super heavy with uploading images, some users aren’t.

        I haven’t read the docs in a long time, but perhaps you could restrict image uploading or something. Nothing you can do about unbounded DB growth without expiring content though.

  • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    12 days ago

    How much server hosting experience do you have? I asked about database preferences over in Self-Hosting once and they basically all said “don’t choose a database ever. Run. Save yourself while there is still time!”

    So maybe use a hosting service I guess. Makes you a more difficult target for attacks but also involves your information getting out into the world in direct connection to your instance.

    • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      2·
      12 days ago

      How much server hosting experience do you have?

      I’ve never hosted a public facing social media service. I have a few years experience hosting a number of my own personal services, but they aren’t at the scale of a public facing Lemmy instance.

    • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      2·
      12 days ago

      [Using a hosting service] makes you a more difficult target for attacks but also involves your information getting out into the world in direct connection to your instance.

      I’m not sure I understand how one’s data would be leaked by the hoster.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        12 days ago

        Same way things get leaked by Equifax, Twitch, US Bank, etc. You’re most responsible with your information by not having unnecessary accounts or transactions.

        Also, most hosts have WhoIs and ICANN registrations for Domains, but you still need a domain regardless. And further than that they might allow subpeonas from various companies who request the info.

        • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          2·
          11 days ago

          Same way things get leaked by Equifax, Twitch, US Bank, etc. You’re most responsible with your information by not having unnecessary accounts or transactions.

          This would be low down on my concern for threat levels. At any rate, the only way to get around this would be to either host it on one’s own hardware on one’s own network, or to somehow anonymously purchase a VPS (I am currently unaware of a trustworthy VPS that allows anonymous hosting. I have heard of BitLaunch, but I don’t know how trustworthy it is — do they have the ability to intercept control of the DO Droplet?).

          —

          Addendum (2024-11-11T23:40Z):

          I just found Njalla which seems to allow anonymous purchasing of VPSs, but idk how reputable they are.

        • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          2·
          11 days ago

          they might allow subpeonas from various companies who request the info.

          “Allow” is an interesting choice of words. A subpoena is legally binding (depending on the jurisdiction). One could circumvent this by purchasing a domain anonymously, but I’m not currently aware of a reputable domain provider that allows anonymous purchasing of domains.

          —

          Addendum (2024-11-11T23:38Z):

          I just found Njalla which seems to allow anonymous purchasing of domains, but idk how reputable they are.

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 days ago

            It comes down to the individual company on whether or not to fight requests for user information. A lot of precedent exists for not complying.

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                1·
                11 days ago

                NY Times vs Njalla

                Njalla does comply with some requests, and was forced to shut down some pirate bay instances at one point, though. Ghost is another privacy domain seller.

                Theres also a term for companies called “Bulletproof Registrars.” For example, some Malaysian Registrars apparently don’t have an address and cannot actually recieve most subpoenas.

                Mostly VPNs, I don’t know too much about similar cases with server hosts or domain sellers.

            • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              1·
              11 days ago

              It comes down to the individual company on whether or not to fight requests for user information.

              Wouldn’t this simply be obstruction of justice?

                • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                  1·
                  11 days ago

                  Sure, but (in the USA) an investigation precedes a criminal case [2], and a court order is part of that. I directly cite, for example, 18 U.S. Code § 1509 - Obstruction of court orders [1]:

                  Whoever, by threats or force, willfully prevents, obstructs, impedes, or interferes with, or willfully attempts to prevent, obstruct, impede, or interfere with, the due exercise of rights or the performance of duties under any order, judgment, or decree of a court of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

                  References
                  1. “18 U.S. Code § 1509 - Obstruction of court orders”. Legal Information Institute. Cornell Law School. Accessed: 2024-11-12T00:42Z. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1509.
                  2. “A Brief Description of the Federal Criminal Justice Process”. FBI. Accessed: 2024-11-12T00:46Z. https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/victim-services/a-brief-description-of-the-federal-criminal-justice-process.
                    • §“I. The Pretrial Stage”. §“Investigations, Grand Juries, and Arrests”. ¶1.

                      If a crime is brought to the attention of federal authorities, whether by a victim of the crime or a witness to it (e.g., a bank robbery), a federal law enforcement agency will undertake an investigation to determine whether a federal offense was committed and, if so, who committed it. […]

        • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          1·
          11 days ago

          Also, most hosts have WhoIs and ICANN registrations for Domains, but you still need a domain regardless.

          I’m not sure exactly what you are referring to. I don’t exactly follow how the VPS provider would have any privileged insight into one’s domain registration.

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            11 days ago

            I’m saying if you payed for a service to host your instance remotely. The domain, the site pages, the the database, everything. Then, everything on the domain would be tied to your person and the service providers have a certain power over your instance aside from just turning off your domain. There are more options to not list or to delist from the WhoIs registry for simple domain purchases.

            I just have trust issues, you don’t need to mind my crazy ramblings.

            • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              1·
              11 days ago

              I just have trust issues, you don’t need to mind my crazy ramblings.

              Concerns about privacy and anonymity are perfectly valid. Ideally, I would want my involvement in a venture like this to be completely anonymous, but there are practical limitations (generally limited by how much added complexity/added risk one wants to put up with).

            • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              1·
              11 days ago

              I’m saying if you payed for a service to host your instance remotely. The domain, the site pages, the the database, everything. Then, everything on the domain would be tied to your person and the service providers have a certain power over your instance aside from just turning off your domain.

              Ah, okay, I was under the assumption that the domain was purchased through a separate, independent provider, rather than through the same provider as that of the VPS.