• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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    This brings me back to a point I keep on making; I really do not care if the vast majority of people vote selfishly. In fact, I want you to vote selfishly.

    Just for the love of God be smart about it.

    You’re hurting? You’re feeling economic pain? Absolutely take those feelings into the ballot box with you.

    But why in the absolute fuck would you vote for the guy who has promised to make everything more expensive?

    The problem is not that people are selfish. Selfish is fine, selfish is good. We can work with selfish. But what we need, desperately, is to teach people how to act effectively in their own self interest, instead of being lead around by the nose by billionaires.

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      That starts at the formative years. You can’t all the sudden instill some new sense of self in a 30 something year old man, grinding away at work for the last 10 years, only to have enough money to come home, drink a six pack and watch the sports package or play whatever latest video game.

      In order to be smart about it, they have to take the steps and spend the time to educate themselves.

      Maybe if you go around the billionaires and make that easier, cheaper, faster or more enjoyable you stand a chance… but I have no idea what that even looks like. Or how you prevent billionaires from spoiling it.

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        I think there are ways. It really feels to me like the left has left a lot of ground untapped in terms of our messaging.

        There’s a lot of leftist ideas that, when presented without an explicitly “Leftist” context, really appeal to right wing voters.

        Like, when did unions become a political thing? How the fuck did we lose them on unions? And Jesus Christ, we’re talking about the party of “rugged individualists”, how are we not selling them on solar power?

        “Still suckling on the teat of some oil baron? Damn son, I get all my power from God’s beautiful sun and wind, and can’t no one take it away from me.”

        “What’s that you say, you gotta work sick because you’re too pussy to tell your California elite CEO to go fuck himself? Sounds like you need a union son.”

        Like, am I fucking crazy here? How the hell did the American left lose the Midwest when there’s so many ways to appeal to these people, if someone would just try to actually meet them where they are.

  • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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    I don’t wanna hear another damn word out of young, American leftists. They moralized, demanded, complained, and stayed home. Now shut the fuck up and enjoy the destruction of Gaza. Morons

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      Now do latinos and suburban women.

      Singling out a single demographic for the target of your ire isn’t helpful.

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      Are you that stupid to think that 15 million non-voter were leftists?

      Pew research allows that progressive are seven percent of the electorate and you actually believe that 15 million is all leftist?

      Nah, there’s millions of bog standard Democrats that didn’t vote because ‘reasons’ here. Y’all put a quarter in your ass and played America.

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      Ironically if she’d chosen Shapiro as a running mate then she’d have had a better chance of holding PA. However reports at the time suggested she didn’t want to risk upsetting the left by choosing a Jewish running mate.

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      Leftists wouldn’t have voted for a capitalist regardless. She never had our vote to count. SHE opted to embrace war criminal Republicans, she opted to have a black man scold black men, she chose to have Clinton tell Muslim voters to suck it up and ignore that their family and friends were murdered while she helped steer the ship, she threw trans people under the bus.

      Her loss is 100% hers to own. And because of her hubris trump won and got the popular vote.

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        Leftist with brains did vote for her, because the recognized that the only other option was worse. Now we get worse because hardliners are too stupid to cope with the lesser evil. Morons.

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          Lesser evil is fantasy, and when a person is surrounding themselves with war criminals, people that voted with trump 75% of the time, ignoring the pleas of its citizens while telling them they are not financially struggling, they are not the lesser evil, only evil.

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            My point was that Kamala (and the dems) /also/ do evil, and thats why some morons didn’t vote.

            But I absolutely agree that it’s orders of magnitude less evil than Trump.

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    Should of rigged the election, then Kamala would be the Queen.

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      I mean yeah, I agree with you, but I fail to see how what Trump promises improves any of the things that people said they care about during this election. Yes, shit’s expensive everywhere right now. But deporting all the foreigners and installing punitive tariffs isn’t going to fix it.

      And do we really think the corporate tax cuts that are ensure to be coming will end up raising wages?

      Trump can get away without campaigning on specifics, somehow.

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        This was a referendum on the status quo, and Harris ran on “more of the same”.

        You are trying to make this about Trump, but Trump wasn’t in power over the previous four years.