There are enough examples why communism is bad. And few in favor of communism. But the left consists of far more then just communism. Many of those systems do work but the right labels everything left as communism, as communism is an extreme which fails every time. There are other forms derived from Marxism and forms of anarchism which are far superior. They are just not that great for mega corporations and billionaires, you know, the ones with all the power. The actual right wing propaganda out there is labeling anything left as communism which is completely dumb.
Communism only worked on a really small scale, when everyone was in favor of it.
Unless you consider a dictatorship “working”, which it technically might be, but it’s not something I would consider as a viable option. And technically it’s not true communism when there is a dictator with it’s circle of elite.
Communism only worked on a really small scale, when everyone was in favor of it.
AES states have and continue to exist, and with them have come drastic increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare, home ownership, and democratic participation, with vast reductions in poverty.
Unless you consider a dictatorship “working”, which it technically might be, but it’s not something I would consider as a viable option. And technically it’s not true communism when there is a dictator with it’s circle of elite.
The CIA’s own internal documents (you know, the ones they use to keep themselves well informed, so as to better tailor their external disinfo), repeatedly state that he wasn’t.
Pretty much everything you’ve been told about the USSR and Stalin is false, and comes to you through a thick fog of anti-communist indoctrination cemented during the cold war. It takes a level of courage to question the lies you’ve had hammered into you all your life, that most people don’t have.
Yeah, the gulags were actually happy holiday camps and the millions who died there was just a coincidence it was there while dying at natural causes.
The KGB was actually a fun motorcycle club who never harmed anyone.
Stalin was a fun, loving, caring man, not a dictator at all. He didn’t even want war with nazi Germany, he actually wanted to join the axis. Stalin did nothing wrong.
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Come on now, I know there is a lot of anti propaganda out there making everything much worse, but facts are facts. Be careful with believing anything you hear, the other side perfected propaganda too you know. Sure, you can listen to Russian state press, or you could look towards places where there’s press freedom. Make an educated guess which one is more trustworthy.
The USSR was a failed state, Russia is a failed state, the US is a failed state, China is beginning to realize there is no turning back from heading towards a failed state (if not already one).
Travel to former Soviet states. Talk to the people there. See the amazing sharade of the mighty Soviet Union crumble, and find out it’s true colors.
Very rich to talk about gulags and KGB when America has the largest prison population in the world, legal slavery and the CIA, NSA and ICE.
Everything your bitching about exists here in the good old USA. You just ain’t any of the targets. But let’s ask Fred Hampton what it’s like to be one hmm?
Just because the US is a failed state doesn’t make the USSR less worse then it was. You can always claim “but there is something worse”, that’s not an excuse for the horrors they committed. The KGB was really bad, the FSB still is. American agencies are too. US agencies are corrupt and commit crimes against humanity but that’s not a reason to close your eyes for the KGB/FSB. The US had concentration camps too during the second world war. No one talks about that. But you cannot say the germans weren’t bad just because the US was bad too.
Just so you know, the world is bigger then just Russia and the US. I live in neither. I did see many places of the world though, including old Soviet states. I’ve seen gulags, I’ve seen Auschwitz among other concentration camps. I’ve seen ghost towns, I’ve spoken to locals about life during the USSR. But sure, the US is worse so whatever they told me is just western propaganda right? Come on.
The CIA didn’t believe him to be. Stalin had power as the head of state of the USSR, but he did not have all-encompassing, unaccountable power, nor did he reach over every nook and cranny of the USSR.
What I know is from people who lived during the USSR in it’s former states. But sure, what they told me is just western propaganda. They lied about their families being deported to gulags, never to have returned. Their idea of their leaders is all just western propaganda right? I mean, there was no western media, but maybe they were secret CIA sleeper agents or something? All hundreds of locals I’ve talked to, including historians, former politicians and former red army.
Stalin also never had anyone deported to gulags for saying anything he didn’t like right? Do you even know what a dictator is? Or what propaganda is? Claiming any negative information about the USSR is propaganda is propaganda itself. What are your sources? Qanon or Russian state media or something?
Nobody said anything about claiming the Soviet Union was a peachy clean state. You are throwing your own presumptions in and arguing with yourself. All we are saying is that the state isn’t like how you thought it was. But you’d rather double down then consider a slight change to your perception.
Enjoy battling yourself. I am done talking to a man who talks past me.
I don’t really know a lot about philosophy but I will pass on Marxism. I’m practicing maybe great but the overall fear of innovation is a turnoff for me. Being afraid of Technology and the owners of it stifles the creation of things like Lemmy. Innovation is good, technology can be good. People are just bad.
And I always 100% see anarchism thrown around like it would work and is powerful but hasn’t history proven it’s kind of a wet dream for those with no power. You take power away and then someone tries to step in and re-establish that power in their name.
Correct me if you know something I don’t or have some sort of philosophy degree and aren’t just someone who went online and said, “yeah I like that this article also supports my point of view.”
Nothing against you and again I am asking for anyone to explain to me otherwise if you genuinely have knowledge in that field and have read a book or two or have a degree. I want someone who can explain on a knowledgeable level and isn’t just in some echo chamber that Lemmy can be.
Also, I feel the need to clarify. Fuck communism, fuck fascism, and fuck authoritarianism. I also understand one hundred percent socialism doesn’t work either.
I don’t really know a lot about philosophy but I will pass on Marxism. I’m practicing maybe great but the overall fear of innovation is a turnoff for me. Being afraid of Technology and the owners of it stifles the creation of things like Lemmy. Innovation is good, technology can be good. People are just bad.
What on Earth are you talking about? Innovation is core to Marxism, Lemmy itself was made and is made by Marxist-Leninists. Where did you get the idea that Marxism is anti-technology? Why would the Soviets beat the US into space if that was the case?
Also, I feel the need to clarify. Fuck communism, fuck fascism, and fuck authoritarianism. I also understand one hundred percent socialism doesn’t work either.
Ah, got it, you do have no idea what you’re talking about. Why add this tirade on the end?
There are enough examples why communism is bad. And few in favor of communism. But the left consists of far more then just communism. Many of those systems do work but the right labels everything left as communism, as communism is an extreme which fails every time. There are other forms derived from Marxism and forms of anarchism which are far superior. They are just not that great for mega corporations and billionaires, you know, the ones with all the power. The actual right wing propaganda out there is labeling anything left as communism which is completely dumb.
Communism does and has worked, what are you on about?
Communism only worked on a really small scale, when everyone was in favor of it.
Unless you consider a dictatorship “working”, which it technically might be, but it’s not something I would consider as a viable option. And technically it’s not true communism when there is a dictator with it’s circle of elite.
AES states have and continue to exist, and with them have come drastic increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare, home ownership, and democratic participation, with vast reductions in poverty.
What are you specifically referring to, here? Not even the CIA believed the USSR to be a dictatorship, according to since released internal records. AES states are functionally far more democratic than the US and other Capitalist states.
So Stalin wasn’t a dictator?
The CIA’s own internal documents (you know, the ones they use to keep themselves well informed, so as to better tailor their external disinfo), repeatedly state that he wasn’t.
Pretty much everything you’ve been told about the USSR and Stalin is false, and comes to you through a thick fog of anti-communist indoctrination cemented during the cold war. It takes a level of courage to question the lies you’ve had hammered into you all your life, that most people don’t have.
Yeah, the gulags were actually happy holiday camps and the millions who died there was just a coincidence it was there while dying at natural causes.
The KGB was actually a fun motorcycle club who never harmed anyone.
Stalin was a fun, loving, caring man, not a dictator at all. He didn’t even want war with nazi Germany, he actually wanted to join the axis. Stalin did nothing wrong.
/s
Come on now, I know there is a lot of anti propaganda out there making everything much worse, but facts are facts. Be careful with believing anything you hear, the other side perfected propaganda too you know. Sure, you can listen to Russian state press, or you could look towards places where there’s press freedom. Make an educated guess which one is more trustworthy.
The USSR was a failed state, Russia is a failed state, the US is a failed state, China is beginning to realize there is no turning back from heading towards a failed state (if not already one).
Travel to former Soviet states. Talk to the people there. See the amazing sharade of the mighty Soviet Union crumble, and find out it’s true colors.
Very rich to talk about gulags and KGB when America has the largest prison population in the world, legal slavery and the CIA, NSA and ICE.
Everything your bitching about exists here in the good old USA. You just ain’t any of the targets. But let’s ask Fred Hampton what it’s like to be one hmm?
Just because the US is a failed state doesn’t make the USSR less worse then it was. You can always claim “but there is something worse”, that’s not an excuse for the horrors they committed. The KGB was really bad, the FSB still is. American agencies are too. US agencies are corrupt and commit crimes against humanity but that’s not a reason to close your eyes for the KGB/FSB. The US had concentration camps too during the second world war. No one talks about that. But you cannot say the germans weren’t bad just because the US was bad too.
Just so you know, the world is bigger then just Russia and the US. I live in neither. I did see many places of the world though, including old Soviet states. I’ve seen gulags, I’ve seen Auschwitz among other concentration camps. I’ve seen ghost towns, I’ve spoken to locals about life during the USSR. But sure, the US is worse so whatever they told me is just western propaganda right? Come on.
The CIA didn’t believe him to be. Stalin had power as the head of state of the USSR, but he did not have all-encompassing, unaccountable power, nor did he reach over every nook and cranny of the USSR.
Consider reading Blackshirts and Reds.
You’re never going to believe it, but the answer was more complicated than the cold war propaganda told you. Shocker.
What I know is from people who lived during the USSR in it’s former states. But sure, what they told me is just western propaganda. They lied about their families being deported to gulags, never to have returned. Their idea of their leaders is all just western propaganda right? I mean, there was no western media, but maybe they were secret CIA sleeper agents or something? All hundreds of locals I’ve talked to, including historians, former politicians and former red army.
Stalin also never had anyone deported to gulags for saying anything he didn’t like right? Do you even know what a dictator is? Or what propaganda is? Claiming any negative information about the USSR is propaganda is propaganda itself. What are your sources? Qanon or Russian state media or something?
Nobody said anything about claiming the Soviet Union was a peachy clean state. You are throwing your own presumptions in and arguing with yourself. All we are saying is that the state isn’t like how you thought it was. But you’d rather double down then consider a slight change to your perception.
Enjoy battling yourself. I am done talking to a man who talks past me.
Another anti-communist that has never left his mind palace
I don’t really know a lot about philosophy but I will pass on Marxism. I’m practicing maybe great but the overall fear of innovation is a turnoff for me. Being afraid of Technology and the owners of it stifles the creation of things like Lemmy. Innovation is good, technology can be good. People are just bad.
And I always 100% see anarchism thrown around like it would work and is powerful but hasn’t history proven it’s kind of a wet dream for those with no power. You take power away and then someone tries to step in and re-establish that power in their name.
Correct me if you know something I don’t or have some sort of philosophy degree and aren’t just someone who went online and said, “yeah I like that this article also supports my point of view.”
Nothing against you and again I am asking for anyone to explain to me otherwise if you genuinely have knowledge in that field and have read a book or two or have a degree. I want someone who can explain on a knowledgeable level and isn’t just in some echo chamber that Lemmy can be.
Also, I feel the need to clarify. Fuck communism, fuck fascism, and fuck authoritarianism. I also understand one hundred percent socialism doesn’t work either.
What on Earth are you talking about? Innovation is core to Marxism, Lemmy itself was made and is made by Marxist-Leninists. Where did you get the idea that Marxism is anti-technology? Why would the Soviets beat the US into space if that was the case?
Ah, got it, you do have no idea what you’re talking about. Why add this tirade on the end?