For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!
For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!
Your opinion is noted, but I’ve heard the reverse of that statement from trans people as well, so…no? Trans people are not a monolith and you do not speak for all of them any more than I speak for all white 20-something dudes.
Cool, so you want to use trans genocide to justify your position, and you’ll listen to the trans people who agree with you but not to trans people to disagree with you.
This is good ally behavior /s
Don’t give a shit who you vote for but if you want to actually stop fascism you have to go join a socialist org. Liberals are structurally incapable of stopping fascism, as fascism is capitalism in decay and liberals support capitalism as their number 1 priority.
In a situation where I am being told to do 2 conflicting things that are effectively mutually exclusive, yes, I will pick the person I know’s wishes over some random stranger.
Is this mutually exclusive with your friend’s statement?
You should pick the correct thing rather than treating trans people like Pokemon.
I’m merely acting on the wishes of the person who asked me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not true. You made sure to make this about trans people and the political violence done to them and then tried to weasel out of listening to the trans person here that knows you should oppose genocide.
Please stop using trans people to justify support of genocide.
See, here’s the problem: all you are doing is ignoring the wishes of another trans person. If we want to go with the magical route of a single person can be representative of an entire group of people, then I’d be able to accept your request. However, we do not, and what I am saying is true that trans people will be harmed by me not supporting Kamala. Not every single trans person cares about this issue as much as Palestine, which is fine, but there are at least some who do, so my stance is valid.
Hell, we can go further if you like: I could ask you to not let my Ukrainian friend be killed by Russia when the Republicans cut off support for it and the anti-air systems go offline.
There are no shortages of tragedies in the world that have no easy immediate fixes, and sometimes simply reducing the damage is the only option; other times you can’t do anything, and sometimes the lives of one side get weighed against the other. Shit sucks
This is what it means to not treat a demographic like a monolith. You have to actually develop correct positions and understand what solidarity means. You can’t just go off of what a given person from a demographic tells you as if it is a representative gospel. This is a liberal tokenization of identity, it is by definition going to be inconsistent, and it is counterproductive because it is always used in bad faith to justify a violent status quo and present it as, “THE [demographic] position”, and, as in your case, typically to attempt and pit the marginalized against each other.
It is common for naive white people to act this way and be easily taken in by tokenizing bullying logic, then repeat it themselves.
“My trans friend asked me to support a genocider” is not a valid excuse. You have simply adopted a false consciousness that works against solidarity, trying to let yourself off the hook for even thinking through this topic. Apparently I should be arguing with your trans friend because you are not responsible for your own opinions or actions, here.
Trans people will also be harmed by supporting Kamala. Do you think there are no trans Palestinians? Do you see how your indoctrination leads you to pit marginalized groups against one another? Why can you not fight for trans liberation and against the genocide? Thousands, possibly even millions, do this every single day.
There is no logic to be found in those statements, though they are presented as if the conclusion follows from the earlier statement.
Another good example of how far “my X friend said” will get you, or can even be counterproductive. Russia invaded Ukraine in response to decades of NATO (US)-based aggressions using Ukraine as a pawn. That was bipartisan actikn, though the most salient escalations happened under Democratic administrations. After Russia invaded, the Biden-Harris administration then fully committed to a strategy to hurt Russia regardless of how it damaged Ukraine and Ukrainians. They will gladly force escalations in a fight to the last Ukrainian. The people you are trying to support are responsible for the exact situation Ukraine is in, leveraging cynical, maximalist foreign policy regimes to ramp up tensions and push last red lines in order to hurt and take down other countries, not to support the people there.
Ending the war in Ukraine ASAP is the priority if you care about Ukrainians. Before they lose even more people and sell off even more of the country to foreign capital. If you think Trump will do this by no longer using Ukraine as a vehicle to throw weapons at Russia, you should, apparently, support Trump. Personally, I organize against both parties.
These are not natural disasters, they are geopolitical developments that have people and rationalrs and economic bases and interests. In this case the people you are openly supporting are doing a genocide. It is not something to “fix” as if they just happened upon a broken machine. They are active in its creation, they are its explicit material supporters in an ongoing genocide.
Notice that you cannot even describe who has blame. You adopt the passive voice just like they tell you to. Wouldn’t want to actually criticize the genociders, right? That might cost them an election? This is you: “go team genocide!”
Normalizing genocide and repeating tokenizing and absurd talking points from the party doing genocide is not reducing harm.
You can always do something, but you would need to take that first step of doing anything at all in the right direction.
Their Ukraine bit was obvious bait. In a context where there were actually onlookers left, it’s bad bait to take because you can see how they then used your response as an excuse to pretty much completely ignore everything else you said and go “muh tankies”.
Ah, the classic tankie defending Russia, the country with the constant historical instances of brutalizing the nations around it.
I guess it sucks that Russia can’t simply smash Ukraine like they did last time in the 20s, because nothing bad happened after Ukraine was subjugated a decade later lol
Oh, who am I kidding? You probably don’t believe the USSR did anything bad.
As for your other statements: I’m going to operate under the idea of protecting the people I know vs those I don’t, as there is basically nothing I can do to stop the problem, and I’ve already determined that going with the less damaging to them option is the superior one to not. I’d be happy to have an option that both keeps the people I care about safe AND stop genocide, but if I can’t, I’m taking the next best thing - it really is that simple.
If you can’t accept that and want to call me a genocide lover, go off lol, your words are worth as little as the next person’s.
So maybe you should stop treating trans people like a monolith and develop correct opinions like, “genocide is unacceptable and I should work against it”.
This is why parent is correct and you are not.
The irony
Hey look a 20-sometging white dude that excuses the genocide of brown people. What a unique and uncommon development.
Your idea of working against genocide is…torpedoing other positive changes in people’s lives by not participating in harm reduction? Interesting choice
I’ve said nothing remotely like that. Though your attempt to characterize neoliberal genociders as harm reduction is noted.
I do actual work with and for trans people. Tangible things. Not sitting around being flippant about my support for genocide. That’s your sin to mull over. Maybe you will forgive yourself some day.
And I applaud your work - however, surely you must understand the risks of a second Trump presidency, given what you do.
And all my “supporting for genocide” amounts to is being stuck with a two-party system. I only “support” it insofar as I must by the virtue of my vote going to the party that enables it (the only 2 with a chance to win do). I made my peace with choosing to accept that the US foreign policy apparatus is going to do these things regardless of which major party is in power, and the best option available of the two is the one that doesn’t have a giant playbook for dismantling the few positive things we do have when they take power.
Contrary to what you may think, I truly do largely agree with many of the things being said here, BUT I have determined that the costs of effectively allowing Republicans to win by protesting and not voting for Kamala poses too great a risk to the things I care about. If my sin is weighing the lives of Palestinians today over the millions of climate refugees and minorities that will be harmed or killed by Republicans seizing power in the election, then so be it.
I have already addressed lesser evil logic for supporting genocide. You can respond to that if you’d like.
Incorrect. You can sit quietly under the two party system and be doing a better job than trying to vocally normalize genocide and get other people to think the same.
This also does not require you to vocalize normalizing genocide and telling people it’s cool to support genociders. It also does not require you to tokenize trans people as if your support for genociders is somegow in solidarity with trans people.
“I chose to help normalize genocide rather than work against it”.
I have already addressed the illogic of lesser evilism. You have neither a personal moral nor strategic justification for what you are doing. You are not, in fact, “realizing” or accepting any kind of insight. You are repeating bog standard PR-tested talking points from the party and its supporters.
No, you do not. You would like to feel like you do, but you actually work in opposition to them, and openly. You are not a friend or an ally of those facing genocide. You are a cheerleader for the genociders in power using their tired talking points. You are even being flippant and joking about genocide.
I have already addressed this.
Do as you like I guess, just don’t be surprised if the planet cooks us alive before the revolution happens because we didn’t try to minimize damage in the interim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kamala doesn’t want to help the climate, liberal. She even wants to expand fracking! She just gives it lip service because that’s all your fucking “harm reduction” amounts to in most cases, people using different words to characterize the same agenda. It’s the same for immigration and it’s the same for Israel.
All your “strategy” is possibly capable of is “reducing harm” (read: changing the language used) but never actually gaining ground and then fucking dying all the same.
Yup. There’s no other reason to not want the Republicans to get into power, besides the climate, immigration, and Israel, no siree. Not a single other thing that might impact my day to day life
The genocidal candidate you are carrying water for is openly supporting fracking and continuing sanctions on Chinese solar panels (which has resulted in a massive backlog of installations that can’t be fulfilled) during peak American oil production, resulting in it being a net exporter of fossil fuels. This is all a consequence of a political system where power flows from caoitalist class interests.
Yet something makes you believe that supporting the thing causing climate change is actually good and smart and “harm reduction” (even while literally being more measurable harm) and that I am irresponsible for organizing against it.
That something is propaganda. But unfortunately you are resistant to questioning it, even up to the point of supporting genocide. Personally, I think that should be a point where anyone should sat, “you know, I should really get my ducks in a row before sharing an opinion”.
Alas.
And there’s not a single thing the Dems have ever done that’s good. Yup.