• OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Calling something state capitalist when capitalism heavily relies on the state by default shows you need to hit the books on how capitalism actually functions.

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        2 months ago

        Perhaps you should read theory. The USSR was State Capitalist with respect to the NEP, but was Socialist for its entire existence

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            2 months ago

            I can only read 2 pages from what you linked, and am not paying 40 dollars to read the rest, certainly not when they already display a gross oversimplification and anti-Marxist definition of Capitalism (critically leaving out competition, Capital accumulation, and so forth), and therefore take a vulgar revisionist stance. There’s no analysis of class dynamics, just an over-reliance on the presense of Wage Labor.

            Please read theory, I can make recommendations for the basics if you’d like.

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              There’s no analysis of class dynamics

              We do not think there was a struggle between capitalism and communism across the twentieth century. For us, communism never ended in that century because it never arose there. Our conclusion is built on the fact that communism –if understood as a distinct, non-capitalist class structure– was neither a significant, nor a sustained part of the history of any of the nations conventionally labeled communist.

              emphasis mine, their entire argument is based on the fact that the USSR lacked the class dynamics of communism, thus weren’t communist.

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                2 months ago

                Nobody, not even the USSR, claims they reached upper-stage Communism. They were Communist in ideology, and Socialist in structure. Their argument is a left-anticommunist argument against a claim nobody made.