I don’t think that you need any more proof that all of these pop up third party efforts are simply republicans funding some of the most ostentatious left wingers out there in order to ratfuck democratic presidential efforts. none of these people can win 270 electoral votes because they aren’t on enough ballots to get there. FACT.
anyone who tells you that they can still win is a political idiot who doesn’t know what they’re talking about and should be ignored or someone with a vested interest in making sure that democrats get fewer votes than they should letting the only other viable party option win. left wingers included.
if there were a real serious third party looking at real electoral victories they should start organizing at the local level with a real long term strategy of growth and do it for all years, not just the ones divisible by 4. by not doing anything except in a presidential election year they are only reinforcing and perpetuating the “corrupt duopoly” they hate so much.
"No, you don’t get it, once they get to 5% they are automatically on the ballots. Once serious candidate Jill Stein no longer has her own inept team as the obstacle it is all over for the duopoly! 1 in 20 people voting for her is realistic and it’s not like there is a possible disastrous outcome that could occur.
“I couldn’t possibly vote for the duopoly since that makes me complicit. I’ll just spend tons of time online campaigning for MAGA, which does not make me complicit because of reasons.”
I’m happily voting third party. :)
You’re happily reducing the number of votes that the major party candidate who you think will do the most harm needs to receive in order to win your state.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates
Sorry but that’s an absolute shit take. I didn’t mention any individual candidate or party. I didn’t say voting for a third party is a vote for opposite major party candidate. It’s just basic math that the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in a state wins that state. If you think there is a state where any third party candidate has a chance of winning please show me the polling that backs it up. Otherwise, just admit that the winner will be the nominee from one of the two major party candidates, and admitting that acknowledge that basic math says the more 3rd party votes are cast, the fewer votes there are between the 2 major party candidates for one of them to overcome. You can be pissed off about it all you want, but it’s reality.
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
Unfortunately that is just idealist naivete. I vote in the major party primaries to try and get either the least crazy republican (gerrymandered districts) or the most progressive democratic candidate on the ballot. The only thing that will break the duopoly is to get RCV in every state, and the presidential election has fuck-all to do with accomplishing that.
I think they’ve switched candidates they’re voting for a few times, since they don’t have any values other than getting MAGA in office and their preferred candidates don’t have any values other than receiving foreign money.
They’re mad every time they get called out on campaigning for MAGA. So of course we get “no u” style responses, whether or not it makes any sense whatsoever.
It’s the very duopoly you’re stuck with that makes real change impossible without challenging it. While ranked-choice voting (RCV) is important, dismissing third-party voting as useless only keeps the system locked in place. Voting for a third party is part of pushing for bigger reforms like RCV—it’s a step towards showing there’s demand for alternatives outside the same old two-party narrative.
It’s the very duopoly you’re stuck with that makes real change impossible without challenging it.
Indeed. But no 3rd party candidate has received a single EC vote since 1968. Voting 3rd party for president in the general clearly isn’t doing a god damn thing to shift the parties.
While ranked-choice voting (RCV) is important, dismissing third-party voting as useless only keeps the system locked in place.
I never said it was useless. But it’s true that voting for a less popular left-leaning is going to reduce the number of votes that the most popular right-leaning candidate needs to receive to beat the most popular left-leaning candidate.
Voting for a third party is part of pushing for bigger reforms like RCV—it’s a step towards showing there’s demand for alternatives outside the same old two-party narrative.
I don’t think you will get the ear of the Democratic party by skipping the primaries or voting in a 3rd party primary. They don’t know how you vote in a general, so you showing up in their primary is the only way they know reliably that you have opinions for their direction. Bernie succeeded in shifting the Democratic party left by running in the Democratic primary. Lets do that at the local levels, especially for primary candidates who support RCV. There’s pretty much no chance we can get RCV as a federal law, SCOTUS would absolutely knock it down as unconstitutional, so that fight has to come through the state legislatures.
Bernie succeeded in shifting the Democratic party left by running in the Democratic primary.
And look how bad they screwed him by choosing Hilary. How’d that work out?! lol
I liked Bernie and would have voted for him too.
But I am not listening to the duopoly any longer. I’m voting third party. Proudly.
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I love how blue MAGA is simply incapable of comprehending why leftists don’t want to vote for a fascist-adjacent party that regularly marginalizes, victimizes, and takes advantage of its leftist coalition members.
Their minds short circuit and it’s always Russian bots or fascist anti-fascists or something equally ridiculous.
As the contradictions of the collapsing American empire grow too large to ignore, this behavior from the center will continue.
To answer the point, yes I’d rather vote for Claudia than Harris. Because in your propagandized mind, a Republican victory is the worst case scenario.
To leftists that have been paying attention to the DNC’s politics and how they serve the American empire, a DNC win is the “bad guys” winning. Just the same way a GOP win would be.
In democracy-based forms of government, candidates need to earn votes. In fascist authoritarian governments, you owe the candidate your vote.
Really weird how yall are projectin not understanding how government works, but I’m glad I could clear that up for you.
It’s really a shame how every accusation from liberals is a confession. Oh damn, yet another time MAGA and blue MAGA held hands. I just keep running into that for some weird reason.
Great post, brother! Here’s my upvote. :)
