WASHINGTON (TND) — Dr.Jill Stein, who is a Green Party presidential candidate, has selected Professor Butch Ware as her vice-presidential running mate.

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    I, however, don’t feel the need to do that.

    So you aren’t concerned about any of the issues I brought up - the 4yrs of conservative SCOTUS supermajority, Project 2025, Schedule F, etc?

    Are you not concerned about Trump potentially invoking the insurrection act, especially noting that has said he would consider sending troops into liberal cities “to curb crime waves”?

    Even forgetting things he “plausibly might not want to do”, his official policy plans are very concerning to me.

    I don’t think the world ends if Trump wins either, but I think it’ll be very bad. Furthermore, I think 4 years of the president having zero climate protection policy will be detrimental to the environment. It feels ironic that you support the Green Party but aren’t concerned about a Trump presidency in that regard.

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      So you aren’t concerned about any of the issues I brought up - the 4yrs of conservative SCOTUS supermajority, Project 2025, Schedule F, etc?

      Nope. Pure fearmongering created by Democrats.

      If Trump somehow won (which he won’t), then in 4 years, we’d have another election. And in that election, Democrats would be saying variations of “Republicans are trying to destroy the world. This is the most important election ever!” like they have always said.

      And the Republicans would be saying variations of “Libs are trying to destroy the world. This is the most important election ever!” like they have always said.

      I won’t be voting for either one of them.

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        Again. This isn’t about stopping apocalypse, or the end of the world, or anything like that. It’s about stopping a guy who has literally threatened to send the national guard into cities…just cuz.

        And again. The irony of supposedly supporting the Green Party, while not caring about the threat of Trump on the environment. When caring about the environment is literally the namesake of the party……

        Please, at least read my link to his Agenda 47 if you have not already done so. Or watch his official Agenda 47 videos, which are videos and not easily navigable text for a reason.

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          Stop trying to bully me. Stop trying to guilt me. Stop trying to sway me.

          I’m voting for Jill Stein. I support you right to vote for who you want to. Just like I am allowed to.

          Accept it. Move on. I’m NOT voting for your candidate. Do you understand?

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            This is not a good-faith response to my comment and you ought to know that.

            I’m not bullying you. You’re the one who put forward the idea that democrats think a trump presidency would destroy the world and/or cause an apocalypse, and I am asserting, as a democrat, that neither of those are true.

            I was genuinely interested in how you’d respond to Trump’s Agenda 47, if you had not already researched it. And I was genuinely interested in how you’d rebut the irony I pointed out twice, but you have not done so.

            I don’t really care if you don’t decide within the next 24hrs to vote Harris or anything like that, but I was interested in, at least on paper, having a good faith discussion where I put forth new information and a perceived cognitive dissonance in your stated values, and you’d read at least some of that information, and/or address the perceived dissonance.

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                I don’t want to leave the conversation with a “cap” on it that has animosity behind it.

                I’m still interested in how you respond to Agenda 47, and how you’d reconcile the Green Party candidate being your #1 pick, with not caring about a Trump victory when Trump is worst candidate for the environment.

                If you don’t want to continue the conversation, you could simply stop responding. I can’t stop you from doing that, nor do I have any desire to.

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                  It’s simple. I’m not voting “against” anyone; I’m voting “for” someone. I’m not worried about who might win. I’m voting for the person who best aligns with my values, and that’s Jill Stein.

                  I get it—you’re scared of Trump. You hate him. Fine. But half the country doesn’t hate him, and that’s just the way things are.

                  I’m not changing my mind. I’m not suddenly going to stand up and say, “OMG, @aalavre2 was right. I’ve read up on Trump this weekend, and now I’m scared! He totally talked me into voting for Harris!”

                  That’s not going to happen. You act like I’m someone who just moved here from another country and has never heard of Trump. You keep saying variations of “But what about…” or “How are you going to respond to…”

                  Dude, I don’t care. I’m not scared of Trump or his administration. If he wins, I won’t jump into a pile of pillows and cry, “Why? Why didn’t I vote for Harris?! Why didn’t I listen to the people on Lemmy?!”

                  I’m voting for Jill Stein because I like her and I want to vote for her. It’s not that deep. It’s not some deep philosophical reflection on my feelings about the nature of society.

                  You need to accept it. I have the right to vote for who I want. You’re trying to bully and guilt me into doing something that you want me to do. Which, by the way, is exactly what Trump voters try to do as well.

                  I support you voting for whoever you want. I don’t expect you to explain or apologize for your choice. Please offer me the same courtesy.

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                    It’s simple. I’m not voting “against” anyone; I’m voting “for” someone. I’m not worried about who might win. I’m voting for the person who best aligns with my values, and that’s Jill Stein.

                    Which values, exactly? She is the Green Party candidate, aka the candidate for the pro-environment party, correct? Is it safe to say that the environment is an important issue for you?

                    I get it—you’re scared of Trump. You hate him. Fine. But half the country doesn’t hate him, and that’s just the way things are.

                    I don’t care what half the country thinks about Trump. I’m interested to know what you think of Trump. Post-Agenda 47 research.

                    I’m not changing my mind. I’m not suddenly going to stand up and say, “OMG, @aalavre2 was right. I’ve read up on Trump this weekend, and now I’m scared! He totally talked me into voting for Harris!”

                    And I already told you that I don’t expect you to do that. That’s what it means to say “I don’t really care if you don’t decide within the next 24hrs to vote Harris or anything like that”.

                    That’s not going to happen.

                    Like I said above…agreed!

                    You act like I’m someone who just moved here from another country and has never heard of Trump.

                    No, I am not. I’m sure there are tens of millions of people who haven’t combed through Trump’s official policies. It’s not exactly easy to do so, after all, when it’s mostly videos. Even harder to do so when some of the most important policies are hidden behind boring names like “Schedule F”.

                    I’m simply pointing at research you could be doing to inform you of a candidate who I see as the on-paper opposite of Jill Stein.

                    Dude, I don’t care. I’m not scared of Trump or his administration. If he wins, I won’t jump into a pile of pillows and cry, “Why? Why didn’t I vote for Harris?! Why didn’t I listen to the people on Lemmy?!”

                    I get that you’re not going to say and do such an oddly specific thing. I get that you’re saying you don’t care, and I am telling you, respectfully, “well, maybe you should care”.

                    I’m voting for Jill Stein because I like her and I want to vote for her. It’s not that deep. It’s not some deep philosophical reflection on my feelings about the nature of society.

                    And I never said it was! But when you put as simply as “because I like her”, it sounds like you’re voting against your interests, when I’d expect you to see Trump as the polar opposite.

                    Do you simply think that politics, and who ends up president, don’t matter that much? If that’s how you feel, that’d clear up a lot of things…

                    You need to accept it. I have the right to vote for who I want.

                    Yup

                    You’re trying to bully and guilt me into doing something that you want me to do.

                    No, I am not. You’ve accused me of both belittling and bullying in a single comment, and I’m just sitting here asking if you read any if my links or chewed on my point about supporting the Green Party.

                    Now I’m asking you, directly, if you just don’t really care that much about who becomes president to begin with. If you don’t wanna answer that, you don’t have to reply back.

                    I support you voting for whoever you want. I don’t expect you to explain or apologize for your choice. Please offer me the same courtesy.

                    And I’m not asking you to apologize for your political views…but this is a political sub. It’s where we’re free to explain our feelings about politics.

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                    You need to accept it. I have the right to vote for who I want.

                    You sure do, but If you’re constantly posting on a forum trying to get other people to do the same, then we have the right to call you obtuse. It’s not bullying.