• DearOldGrandma@lemmy.world
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      One evil respects democracy and at least wants to better the lives of most the people in the country. Morally dubious, but has helped more people than harmed.

      The other respects only himself and wants to better the life of only himself while using anyone and anything he can to achieve that - remember the time he claimed the election was stolen before it was even concluded? The guy literally has a psychologist in his family who detailed how awful he really is, and was before he became president.

      And then there’s RFK Jr. who had a worm starve to death inside his brain. He isn’t necessarily evil, just horribly stupid

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        One evil respects democracy

        Which one is that?

        The DNC’s chosen pick?

        That one that in 2020 got endorsed by a handful of candidates who all dropped out withing 24 hours of Super Tuesday and endorsed Biden?

        I asked someone else earlier, and they wouldn’t answer.

        1. Why wouldn’t they wait to see how Super Tuesday turned out if they wanted to win and had already spent the money on campaigning?
        1. Do you honestly believe that happened with zero coordination from the DNC or Biden’s campaign?
        1. Do you think Bernie got a heads up before they announced?

        Because up until they did, he was projected to win the plurality of Super Tuesday states, and Biden was coming off big early disappoints besides SC. And 24 hours just isn’t enough time for Bernie to have reacted in 15 states in less than 24 hours or for voters to make an informed decision of their own when it was just Bernie and Biden.

        Now, if you think four years ago is ancient history:

        Why did Biden support the DNC taking away NH delegates for something only state republicans controlled?

        Personally I think because the first state habitually voting progressive and not for him pissed him off. Especially since he replaced it with SC, his sole decisive win from the last primary before the above mentioned shenanigans

        It definitely wasnt his love of democracy that made him support removing a state’s worth of Dem voters voice…

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          You’re talking about primaries and I’m talking about presidential generals. I voted Bernie each time in the primaries because I think the DNC establishment is too far right. I personally think Bernie isn’t progressive enough, but this is the US.

          We’re literally in agreement on this part, and I said Biden was morally dubious. Guy’s a terrible person and a horrible politician, don’t get me wrong. But I’ll take Biden over Trump any day, because at least Biden has never incited an insurrection

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            You’re talking about primaries and I’m talking about presidential generals

            So, what you meant was Biden loves democracy when the only other option is a fascist?

            That’s not democracy, which is why the biggest reason people gave in last election or upcoming for voting Biden is “he’s not trump”.

            If the only options for ruler of the planet was me or hitler, and I was a complete fucking psychopath, I’d also call that democracy and say I loved it. But what I would be really saying is I love it when the only other choice besides myself was someone even worse.

            That’s not democracy, that’s nowhere close to it.

            Especially factoring in the electoral college and only a handful of states are ever in play.

            In the majority of states we already know who gets all their electoral college votes.

            This is not a democracy.

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              Alright, you’re just arguing for the sake of it at this point and putting words in my mouth lol. While we’re technically in a capitalistic oligarchy, we do have some democratic processes at play. I don’t like it, and you don’t either. Which is weird because you’re seemingly arguing against the only candidate that is actively trying to maintain that semblance of democracy. Trump has actively tried to undermine this semblance of democracy in each of the recent elections, even in the election he won.

              Let’s circle back for you. Biden is the lesser evil of the two. When these are your only realistic choices in our current system, there’s only one that’s obvious. Campaign for structural reform and for politicians that want to reform and improve the system we have.

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                we do have some democratic processes at play.

                Russia just held an election…

                They have some democratic processes…

                Do you call them a democracy too?

                Or is your line for what’s a democracy whatever America is currently doing?

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                  Do you live to argue? Did you even read what I wrote, or do you only cherry pick? You’re resorting to whataboutism. And for the record no, because Russia is a full-blown oligarchy that holds farce “presidential” elections. The fact Trump, the leader at the time, lost shows we’re doing better than Russia is.

                  We both support progressive candidates and ideologies. I hate Biden, but I live in a state where I’ll have to vote for him. But since you don’t want to have an actual conversation, we’re done here. Talk like this is why Republicans are doing so well despite over half of the US hating their guts.