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Cake day: June 30th, 2023

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  • When I wrote that it was taking Boeing at its word, I was leaning more into a possibility of leadership changing their minds.

    All I was really getting at by commenting about the contract was that corporate greed exists

    The point I was trying to convey is that companies are run by people and people are corruptable.

    I’m of the opinion there are no lines a company won’t cross if there’s a dollar to be made

    I even said:

    You’re correct to say there’s no reason to think any specific contact would be violated.

    And yet you continue to harp on about this, and now tell me to go do some reading? Read the comments you’re replying to.

    You haven’t conceded a single thing or even mentioned any of the rebuttals I have made to you points, and you continue to attack what I have repeatedly stated as only being my opinions.

    I should have trusted my instinct beforehand. This isn’t a discussion. This is a waste of effort.



  • Ah so that’s the line you think they won’t cross? Glad we were able to narrow that down.

    I’m of the opinion there are no lines a company won’t cross if there’s a dollar to be made, and there’s decades of evidence this is the case. It wasn’t that long ago that big business would hire people to give a beat down to protesting workers.

    It’s not my goal to change the minds of people online. Ultimately this conversation has boiled down to me having an opinion based on actions I have seen taken against workers, and you believing there is a line in the sand that “cannot” be crossed because the company is smart enough not to.

    We aren’t getting anywhere by continuing.


  • I can appreciate the argument that’s being made to counter this. That enacting such rulings would drive the affected children to lesser known pockets of the internet. However I think that’s a red herring by the industry, since that always happens anyway.

    A new platform pops up and people go try it. It’s only a matter of time before there’s a new Tiktok in town. They will spin up and die off faster than legislation can keep up. Seems to me the industry wants to keep the children for the data, and the revenue that comes with it.

    Something does need to be done though. Our minds are becoming mushy tomatoes and social media is partly to blame. A better solution might be education of course, but I’m not sure what that would look like, or if it would be effective unless integrated into curriculums quite early on.



  • The point I was trying to convey is that companies are run by people and people are corruptable. You’re correct to say there’s no reason to think any specific contact would be violated. It’s folly however, to think companies never take action against a union as a whole or a worker individually.

    Given the recent whistleblowers that have stopped being alive in recent Boeing memory, I don’t think it’s alarmist to suggest they might not be a trustworthy bunch.

    Either way, my apologies for the way I half heartedly wrote something the other day.




  • I realize the math is marginally inaccurate - precision wasn’t really the goal of what I wrote. We’re on the same page so far as the disingenuous headline goes.

    Where we disagree I suppose is the contract being binding. You’re right of course, from a legal perspective, a signed contract is an agreement that must be upheld. When I wrote that it was taking Boeing at its word, I was leaning more into a possibility of leadership changing their minds.

    As a hypothetical example:

    Two years down the line the executives decide to ‘review’ the contracts and determine an alternative understanding of the principles of the agreement which leads to them reverting to the previous payscale. Then the union threatens to strike again, legal action might ensue, maybe months go by of back and forth with the corporation dragging their metaphorical feet at every opportunity.

    Eventually this ends up in court with Boeing being told to quit the shit and pay what they agreed, maybe plus 5% as a ‘pemalty’ for bad faith operation. Finally, the agreed upon payscale resumes with backpay, plus that 5%. Workers aren’t exactly happy, but they aren’t angry anymore.

    All the while, those extra tens of millions were sitting somewhere, collecting interest for Boeing. By the time it all gets straightened out and they accept a fine, they’ve made an extra few million. At the end of the quarter, or the year, the executives that set out on this path take a generous bonus.

    All I was really getting at by commenting about the contract was that corporate greed exists - in Boeing of all places this is a certainty.

    Giant companies pull these maneuvers all the time at the expense of the people they employ, their own customers, or both. I don’t think most of what I wrote was wrong. Inaccurate maybe? I can live with that.


  • Every time some headline comes out with significant increases, it always turns out to be ‘over x years’.

    This isn’t a 25% raise, it’s taking Boeing at their word they will give 6.25% every year only for the next four. Six percent doesn’t cover the inflated costs of anything anymore, let alone allow for wealth building or retirement saving.

    These people would never strike again if they got a real 25% raise and a guaranteed bump equal to twice the inflation in the years to come. But as always, when the C suite’s horizon is only as far as next quarter, the people are seen merely as an expense - not an investment.


  • As someone that tries to condense posts and comments, I have ‘Show action bar by default for comments’ disabled. Now, as score location has been altered, I’m not able to see comment score. More problematic is there’s no longer an indication of whether I have already voted on a comment or not.

    In order to get this information now, I either must enable the action bar for every comment which fills a lot of the screen with buttons that I don’t need, or press and hold the comment to expand the action bar manually. This is a reduction in displayed information that doesn’t seem proportional to the benefit of a ‘cleaner’ style.

    At the very least, I’d think the score should be put back next to the commenter’s name when the action bar is disabled.

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