• OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Unfortunately the genders are on opposite sides here but compare these two graphs and tell me the bombing is not indiscriminate

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      11 days ago

      They do look pretty similar to me, but can’t say without numbers. Keeping in mind the population graph is a couple years old - half of a bar height - they both show a minor peak/inflection around age 30 that’s maybe 2/3 of the major peak around 5. Babies seem to be spared from the bombing, but that could be fewer births or increased non-violent infant mortality.

      IMO, it’s not a great data set to claim Israelis are intentionally targeting children, but it is pretty good for saying they are not intentionally targeting military-age men.

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        11 days ago

        Nobody implied they’re intentionally targeting children with their bombing.

        They’re indiscriminately bombing all Palestinians. If they were targeting Hamas, and attempting to limit civilian casualties, you’d see a much higher proportion of adult males.

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          The post title asks you to look at the “biggest bar,” which seems to imply that the biggest bars - children - must be targeted. OccamsTeapot population graph is important context because, as war-crimey as indiscriminantly bombing civilian populations is, intentionally targeting children feels so much like comic-book villany that people dismiss it as propaganda.

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            10 days ago

            Your biases, poor reasoning, &/or poor grammar are showing.

            “Biggest bar” = “highest proportion of casualties are children” (e.g. the data be like it do); NOT “IDF is targeting children”.

            Your false interpretation implies intent to target children specifically, but the correct interpretation ultimately implies indiscriminate murder, as any Palestinian civilians likelihood of being bombed by the IDF is almost the same as any “Hamas combatant” (e.g. genocide) — so much so that it just looks like their current population demographics.

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        11 days ago

        Important points! It was just an off the cuff comparison

        IMO, it’s not a great data set to claim Israelis are intentionally targeting children, but it is pretty good for saying they are not intentionally targeting military-age men.

        Agree completely. I don’t think they’re intentionally targeting children but it does not look like they are targeting any subgroup in particular.

        My original intent was just to say it looks pretty close to what you’d expect if you just dropped bombs at random. I might look to find better data later on

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          Yeah, rereading your text, I may have confused all the negatives and inferred that you support the post’s implication that they’re targeting children, but I meant to comment on the data in the context of ‘biggest bar,’ not to criticize opinions. Seeing OP’s chart, the first thing I wanted was a population chart, and I’m glad you’d already provided one.

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            I meant to comment on the data in the context of ‘biggest bar’

            I didn’t even pay attention the post title for some reason, I just went straight to the graph! But yeah the population pyramid shows the issue with that claim.

            Anyway, no worries and no harm done! I appreciate the clarification