I’ll say it again… Gen Z was dealt an awful hand by being exposed to all the toxicity of the internet before they were mature enough to deal with it.
I personally feel privileged to have been born in the late 80s so I got exposed to the internet before it was a cesspool and got to learn resilience to misinformation gradually instead of being beat around the head with it.
How are people surprised?
Humans are animals, we’re not innately good, we need to be taught.
For like 20-30 years we’ve stripped all of that out of public education. If you have shit parents, no one is teaching you how to be a good person, or even what the benefits of being a good person are.
Steve Bannon got his finger on gaming culture like 30 years ago with WoW gold farms in China just for the money, but he immediately realized that was the in road to the youth.
Streaming incentives the worst personality traits and kids follow them religiously. They were the role models for lots of Gen Z, and a significant amount had the algorithm taken them to full blown al right bullshit.
None of this is new, we’ve been bitching about it for literal decades.
It’s just the fascists are putting the fucking work in and plan long term, and neo liberals only care about short term donations they can grift from the wealthy.
Shit is too fucking important to keep letting them be the only other option. Shit is too fucking serious to intentionally half ass politics these days.
The “moderate” experiment started in 92 needs to be over
I’m fucking sick of it being
“Right of center wealthy elites vs angry poor men want fascism”
It’s not even that most of them want fascism, that’s the fucked up part.
A lot of it is just tantrum voting. They know politicians like Pelosi, Hillary, and yes even Biden are shit and bad for regular Americans. But Trump is worse. It doesn’t matter tho because for some people once they hit a “shit threshold” both sides are the same.
As much as people on the left are accused of being accelerationists, a significant amount of people who voted for trump are hoping one way or another the current system gets burnt down.
Long term, talking like 2044?
That’s 16 years after trump’s 2nd term. Hopefully there’s an election in 2028 with a fair primary and a fair general all around. If not that’s still a lot of time to bounce back.
Don’t listen to the doom and gloom from mainstream media, the wealthy owners are happy trump won and want everyone to stop caring so 2028 pops up before we realize and we just go along with the “it’s too late to do anything except what the rich want”.
The next four years will suck, that’s all the more reason to focus on the next shot to really fix everything that breaks, and make sure we pick someone willing to fight
I think there will always be a certain type of male that really believe that humans need a pecking order, and they’ll live vicariously through the broligarchs, even if they have no power whatsoever. Social media platforms make that easier than ever to find and worship such awful people. This is why I give side-eye when people tell me that Gen Z is somehow inherently more just and so on than any other prior generation.
By what possible mechanism would that even be? It certainly is not from teaching media literacy or critical thinking at mass scale.
I’ll never understand why neither Harris nor at least Walz didn’t fully pierce into the echo-chamber of the manosphere.
I thought this was half the point of picking Walz who could hold his own on guns and sports with Joe Rogan and all that shit.
The closest Harris got was… Going on on Howard Stern? Gen Z men aren’t listening to Stern.
Edit: I know why. They miscalculated (and I did, too). They thought women alone would turn out in a proportion greater than the historically-low turnout of young men. More than that, millions just fell for the both sides disinfo ops and sat out. But that doesn’t change the point that it was low risk / high reward to go on those outlets.
Also, the extent of the campaign’s outreach to young men was “vote on behalf of the women you know”.
Maybe pick a better message that doesn’t exclude their entire demographic and you might find better results.
What you’re saying is we should’ve realized how selfish and uncaring they were (speaking as a white male myself). You’re right, but it’s fucking sad.
These young white guys may not have their finger on it, but they sense the world has been pulled out from under them. They have no notion of “privilege” but they feel something is missing their dads and grandads had.
Maybe 10-years ago I was running internet at a guy’s shop. Everyone was drinking and fucking around, discussing some politics. The guy’s son was about to graduate the bougie high school and was enraged that anyone was talking about free college tuition.
“College isn’t high school. Just because you get to attend free doesn’t mean you get a free diploma. Besides, what are you afraid of? Might have to compete with n******?”
And that last bit was exactly what he was afraid of. (Apologies, but I put it in words him and his father would use so it would hit home.) Being white is no longer an automatic ticket to the middle class. Hell, what middle class?
You think the incels of the late 2010s were bad, boy howdy, just you wait.
Theyre the ones doing the alienating
I sometimes wonder if this is a mass psychosis of sorts that happens when you have a surplus of military age men. In history how many of these impotents would just be given a spear or a rifle and told to go die for the Emperor/King/Fatherland on some pointless military adventurism? Then they wouldn’t have the time to ruminate and make up their own cause to lash out for. “Women are against you, academia is against you, society itself is against you.”
That’s so weird that someone who would do something like that was alienated.
I dunno, maybe 18-21 years of being told everything wrong in the world is a guy’s fault has something to do with it. Putting all the blame on people that had no hand in the state of things doesn’t exactly enamour them to your cause…
Y’all choose the bear over random dudes this summer. These young guys saw all that happening, right in front of them in real time. Where were they supposed to turn? One side was offering them answers, even if falsely. The other side was blaming them for everything. The shift right wasn’t all because of the Trump’s and Bannon’s of the world.
An actual opportunity to talk about an issue, rather than reinforce my own beliefs. Dont mind if i do…
Dont you think this is more of an artifact of personalizing newsfeeds and those separated viewpointa clashing with other personalized newsfeeds?
Every opinion exists, and the internet allows opinions to be magnified without a basis in people’s true opinions. We need to learn how to navigate and develop our social beliefs without fixating on who’s opinion is percieved as majority or being shown the most in media… that includes overreacting to polarized opinions and validating them.
Real peoples opinions are different than the popularity of memeified opinions. When people talk to each other there is understanding. When people arm themselves with memes instead of forming their own opinions, we are parroting ideas that might be manufactored so we have no choice but to deny meme ideologies unless their merit is unavoidable.
No I don’t think personalized news feeds really factor into it. The common narrative is directly opposite the lived experience of 18-21 year olds.
Women graduate highschool more, attend college more, graduate college more, and earn more. Despite all that the narrative is still women need more help because men are holding them down.
Oh woe is me?! Cry me a river. No one is blaming young men for these things. It’s a call to action to dismantle a system of oppression on marginalized groups. Some of those marginalized groups include white people, white men, and young white men. This whole election just allowed the worst to flourish.
deleted by creator
Oh look, a complete failure of which government responsibility which everyone was saying was underfunded and neglected for years?
Rhymes with masturbation (yes, thats the first one to my head)
Hatsturbation?
I blame their mothers.
