Unfortunately it seems obvious that PP and his party will win with a majority government. And as an autistic LGBTQ person who already experiences real hate from people in my small town, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t scared.
As a middle-aged, cis, hetero, mostly neuro-typical guy living in Calgary - I see you, I value you, and I care about you. I can’t pretend to understand what your life is like - but you deserve every bit as much happiness and support as anyone else.
Thank you, I appreciate comments like this so much. I hope you have a wonderful day.
My hope is that this will give the Liberal party the courage to look for new leadership. Trudeau was great when he started, but a decade in the spotlight has worn him down and tainted his brand (fairly or unfairly).
The Liberals under Trudeau are trying to get elected on a platform of ‘more of the same’ when a lot of Canadians are unhappy. A new leader, with a new vision and a solid platform could have a fighting chance against PP. But under Trudeau the party feels like they’ve given up.
One of the first things Trudeau did as Prime Minister was break the top-line platform promise that got him elected - he promised Canadians that the 2015 federal election would be the last one under the first past the post system. So I’d say from the standpoint of democracy, he had an absolutely horrible start.
Of course he went on to reap the benefits of the imbalanced first past the post system for two subsequent federal elections, one of which he called unnecessarily during the pandemic in order to consolidate power for his party.
I think him and his party have been vaporware since day one.
What I see is 5k NDP and Greens voters who would rather see a conservative MP having the seat than make sure it’s someone fairly progressive in place.
Oh and enough people that voted for fake independents to make a point in favor of electoral reform to make a party that has always been against electoral reform take the seat.
It’s not a fucking proportional system, vote strategically you idiots!
No, you don’t get to blame third party when this riding was overwhelmingly Liberal for 30 years. Plus, the margin of victory was so small that they didn’t even need strategic voters to win it themselves.
This was a de facto referendum on Trudeau himself, and he would be wise to take heed of this warning.
Cut your nose to spite your face
You’re angry at Trudeau? Fine. Get PP in power and see how things go for you, I’m sure the majority of people who think like you are the ones who will suffer the most under a conservative government. You do you, I’m a white man with a good job that owns a house and I’m still trying to improve things for those who aren’t as privileged instead of thinking about myself and voting for lower taxes and less services for those in needs, maybe you should do the same.
Hah, I don’t care about Trudeau (and certainly don’t want to sleep with him like some of the more vocal fans), and lose either way as an NDP supporter. The entitlement to other parties’ votes is laughable. You’re bothered by the vote splitting? Perhaps electoral reform would help with that (I would’ve even accepted the ranked choice system that the Liberals proposed back in 2015, but even that didn’t materialize).
The NDP will only have a real shot at power if the Liberals crash and burn, similar to the provincial NDP (but fuck Andrea Horwath for wasting her party’s chance).
As for dealing with a conservative PM, well, I’ll be fine, but he’s still going to drag the country backward on climate policy. I hope y’all are rich enough to handle the rising costs of climate change (which will continue to rise even if Poilievre axes the carbon tax in total denial)
It’s not only about climate change though and it’s not only about you being fine. People thought the same way you do and got Trump elected and now abortion is getting banned all over the USA, but hey, at least some progressives can say they didn’t vote for Hillary out of principle?
You aren’t comparing Poilievre to Trump are you? Despite my misgivings with Milhouse, he is a regular political opportunist (though like Doug Ford, that can still cause problems for people). Swinging to the opposite extreme and making him sound like the antichrist erodes any chance of honest discussion we have with more moderate fiscal conservatives (the social conservative crazies that want to ban abortion will live in their own world no matter what).
You have a fair point about people displaying their privilege when saying they can tolerate a lost election. I know others don’t have that luxury, but I’m not saying ignore everything, or don’t vote. The climate is a wedge issue that affects everybody world wide, regardless of their political affiliation (or lack of), which is why I emphasized it.
This discussion started because of a comment supporting strategic voting, and extrapolated consequences and value judgments from there. It’s an issue with the electoral system that requires electoral reform.
He might not ban abortion, but he already said he’s ready to use article 33 to bypass the supreme Court on prison terms for violent crimes and when he starts feeling pressure from the social conservatives in his party and he’s facing the possibility that they’ll jump ship, you can be sure social issues won’t be a priority to him, even if it’s just cutting funding here and there so he indirectly ends up closing abortion clinics or homeless shelters.
I don’t disagree with that. Poilievre won’t want to burn political capital on this issue and would much rather neglect these services, even if it’s fiscally irresponsible to saddle future governments with the bill for cleaning these messes up. Yea, it is exhausting to watch important services degrade day by day.
But once again, this only underscores the need to establish electoral reform so that a plurality of 40% will never again grant the Conservatives a majority government with which they can sledgehammer our institutions.
Well that is going to be bad for everyone. Looks like we’re headed back to science denial, tax credits for the rich, program cancellations for the poor, a weak fed that ignores the marginalized, bitcoin for some reason, deregulation, attacks on democracy, and just a general attitude of government by bumper sticker skeleton middle finger.
I remember when PP was in government, they weren’t good days, but I guess Trudeau has been in for so long that the list of true and imagined grievances is going to sink him and the rest of us with him.
Don’t forget increased intentionally fucking over BC.
• Harper and PPs complete capitulation on the softwood lumber agreement to the US, multiple times decimated rural BC.
• They moved harbour control for the 2nd busiest port on the west coast of the Americas, out of Vancouver and have them remotely operating out of Comox.
• They illegally forced the TMX expansion pipeline through, and overrode concerns of the city of Hope that the new line runs over their watershed and they ignored native issues with the pipeline. Note that it doesn’t run over Nestles well. They moved the line for fucking Nestle, not a city of people though.
• They shut down the coast guard facility for the Vancouver harbor and forced them to operate out of Richmond. So in the recent issue of a boat running into a seaplane, where the coast guard took under 10 minutes to respond, if Trudeau had not repurchased and opened the facility, their response time would have been in the range of 40 minutes to an hour.
Not to mention a return to “balancing” the budget by selling off assets to developer friends and scandals like taking the G8 security budget and using it for graft and bribery in your own ridings.