How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Look I’m voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn’t go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF.
This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.
The one that got me was when they justified dropping bombs on civilians to hit tunnel hatches. No evidence Hamas was present, just gotta hit that hatch.
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Fuck the men that didn’t want to die, I guess
Women and children are generally given as examples because they’re widely perceived as unambiguously not combatants compared to men by most people.
Nobody’s saying "fuck the men that didn’t want to die". If someone says "how many women and girls were simply living their lives when they were sexually assaulted" and your immediate and only response is "so what, no one cares about men and boys who were sexually assaulted?", can you see why that’s kind of a nonsensical conclusion to make?
Exactly. Pretty obvious because it leaves no low-hanging fruit for an Israeli apologist to say something like, “those men were probably Hamas.”
It just makes for a more tight and rhetorically effective argument.
Bad faith argument. Be better.
She’s taken AIPAC money, she’s drank the koolaid. She can’t go back now. Most of them have, we saw what happened to most of those who didn’t. Our politicians are all bought and paid for, dont ever forget that and let’s get rid of FPTP so we the people can end this corruption. And if that doesnt work, well, you’ll find me ravenous outside of Citizens United.
Edit: go ahead and downvote but at least look with your fucken eyeballs. AIPAC didn’t blow hundreds of millions on our elections because they dont matter. Theres a purpose there.
Adding context…
‘Very Bad Sign for Democracy’: AIPAC Has Spent Over $100 Million on 2024 Elections
AIPAC’s billionaire-funded super PAC has helped defeat two of the most vocal opponents of Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip.
US support for genocide, regardless of the country of origin. Is going to end badly. Trump supports Russia, The dems support Israel. No matter who you pick, some defenseless group of people is going to pay the price for your vote. Atrocious.
Trump has said multiple times he has unwavering support of Israel and would give them even more weapons. Harris might be pushing the status quo which sucks but Trump would do much worse. I mean fuck Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and recognized Israel’s claim to the Golan Heights. Trump already dunped a shit ton of fuel on the fire of war down there. Saying the two of them are both the same is some bullshit false equivalency crap. Get educated on a topic before you decide to barf out stupid comments.
Trump supports Russia and Israel, the dems support Israel. If you pick Trump, both groups pay the price. Depending on who you pick one group will pay the price or not, one group will pay the price no matter what; yet for this group (the Palestinians) the degree to which will probably differ, I suspect Trump may be worse given that he avoids supporting a ceasefire at all and tells the Israeli government to finish what they started. People from Palestine state the same: Trump would be worse, but neither choice would support them.
I would support a candidate that is opposed to genocide.
She knows it’s about Iran, not Israel and some local border dispute.
Only a genocide deniers would call this “some local border dispute” at this time.
@JustZ@lemmy.world right now:
And this is why hope was in that box with all the other curses.
Harris leans to the right more every day
Only if you’re a single issue voter
This is who she’s always been. Find speeches of hers back when she was in California, they’re just as right wing as she is right now.
I’d be curious on examples.
Edit: Down voted but no examples given. Sad but expected.
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Decided to look it up, and the “we’re doing too much for Israel” is only at 40% of Dems, higher than GOPs 30% but it isn’t a majority even of her own party. And it’s an even fewer willing to say no weapons or call it a genecide. It’s certainly more people than it was a few months ago, but if you want the Dems to take a stronger stance, you’ll need to push those poll numbers farther because her messaging is reflecting that.
Now that’s not to say they’re right, Americans in general aren’t exactly the brightest or most informed bunch (see our response to 9/11, ugh), but representative government is going to reflect public sentiment. If you want to fight for Gaza, find ways to convince your neighbors or family members. If 60% called for a ban on weapons sales, you better believe it’ll be reflected in the platform.
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If this bothers you then vote for some candidate and party other than Harris and the dems.
I like PSL.
Why? So that Trump ends up in office and does worse?
No, because the only thing elections track is approval. If genocide is too much for a person to approve of then they need to vote for a different candidate.
Terrible idea. A better plan is vote progressives into congress. The presidency literally doesn’t matter. Congress gets to dictate almost everything the President can do.
I guess if you don’t care who gets in then yeah.
I’m personally past just voting for the “least bad” candidate no matter how that’s determined. It’s candidates I actually want from here on out.
Why can’t we just vote for the biggest leftist party with the most ballot access? Ya know, the green party
I will generally not recommend people vote for or support the greens because they represent a directionless triangulation with no vision.
I’ve had the opportunity to vote green in every national election they’ve been in and even chosen them a few times and they’ve always let me down.
It’s that kind of attitude that weakens the left. If every leftist were involved with the greens, we could create a truly revolutionary party.
perhaps by changing the party into something entirely different from within. of course that would require a lot of work to overcome 25 years of institutional inertia, let alone a big job of completely changing the party’s strategy and operation.
i would even make the argument that the greens aren’t left, since they aren’t calling for worker control of the means of production and historically that’s been the bare minimum to be considered left but using the french seating chart hundreds of years later has its own issues.
Well I don’t see nearly as much ballot access from the PSL or any other minor party. Maybe we should make a new party that’ll lose popularity to the next one in 5 years. No party will ever be leftist enough for leftists in this country and that pretentious mindset will keep us weak forever.
How does that saying go? “If ballot access were candy and nuts we’d all be eating steak!”
There are absolutely ultras in America but it’s not a position necessary to recognize that the Green Party isn’t leftist. I’d say at the very least the greens can’t be called leftist for the same reason the dubious moniker “progressive” isn’t any marker of the same: their platform is explicitly not left.
They are the leftist party available.
propaganda from both parties keep people at the bottom of the juice pitcher unable to breath fresh air and there are too few not drinking the punch to do anything
huge crab effect going on here
like when you go crabbing and put all the crabs in the bucket and the crabs that almost get out get stopped by their peers
It’s not cool that Americans are as dumb as crabs in this analogy. If every leftist just got behind the green party we might stand a chance. But everyone wants their own unique ideology represented.
If you think Jill Stein represents any sort of real leftist ideology, I have a number of bridges to offer you.
I didn’t say that I did think that. What I do think is that leftists should leverage the biggest third party that’s the closest to representing their core values into the party that they want. It has nothing to do with Jill Stein and more to do with uniting under one generalized leftist party instead of constantly fracturing into weaker more specific parties.
I finally understand what “Vote blue no matter who” means. They’re all the same.
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Narrator: But they didn’t understand.
