Said Manchin: “Shame on her. She knows the filibuster is the Holy Grail of democracy. It’s the only thing that keeps us talking and working together. If she gets rid of that, then this would be the House on steroids.”
Eat shit, Manchin. People’s lives are at stake.
Manchin’s not even on the ballot in 2024. He’s ditched the party to become an independent, while his seat is polling 64/28 Republican favoring the outgoing governor Jim Justice to a small town mayor from Wheeling named Glenn Elliott.
Sinema, the other walking “we can’t because” excuse by the Dems, quit to dedicate herself fully to drinking with other lobbyists in wine caves. Arizona is polling significantly better for Dems (49/43 or thereabouts) now that the GOP is running an outspoken fascist Kari Lake in a majority-minority state.
But the Senate map still favors the GOP by one seat. Dems need to defend Montana and Ohio to hold an even 50 seats. Otherwise, they’ll have to scrounge a pickup from seething gasp Texas or Florida. So, it could very well not be an issue in 2024. The GOP could retake the Senate and spend the next two years holding the national economy at gunpoint with a government shutdown.
Yo, Missourian here ready to get traitor Josh Hawley replaced. I don’t care what the polls say, I’m showing up no matter what.
I don’t care what the polls say
That’s sweet, but Hawley is a product of his state. Missouri is dripping with white nationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veiled_Prophet_Parade_and_Ball
For sure, I’m well aware on the other side of the state. There are active KKK chapters within a few miles of me. All the more reason to show up.
Shame on Manchin. He’s power hungry and knows he and sinema get all the power this way.
She did stop short of promises simple majorities would translate to getting the votes to do it, and I’m glad they’re being more realistic this time.
But she needs to actually use the bully pulpit if we have the majority but the votes still aren’t there.
If there’s some Dems who don’t support this, then they need to be named and shamed so they either fold to peer pressure or their voters know they need replaced in the next primary.
We can’t keep hiding who these Dems are by avoiding the vote. Make them go on record for not supporting the party platform
The old blue dog dems that held up the ACA until it was neutered and who opposed other progress when they were rhe deciding vote had no issue with the publicity. There werre recent discussions about getting rid of the filibuster and Dems were openly opposed to it.
So feel free to name and shame, they don’t care.
It’s more than name and shame that is required. Just doing that will enable the media to dull the impact and sweep it under the rug at the next 24 hour news cycle, nobody will hardly know.
What is needed for these corrupt politicians to come around is to go to their home districts and campaign loudly against them, and in favor of legislation which will help the voting working class. This will force them to play nice, or cost them their seats if done correctly.
You say that, but Sanders went to WV and talked to Manchins voters, and got him to support the party platform more than once.
You don’t just use the bully pulpit from the White House to address the whole nation.
You pick it up and go to the voters and tell them the person they voted for isn’t just holding them back. They’re holding the whole country back.
That works. And it works a lot better when it’s the president doing it than a random senator from another state.
Yes, pressure is great. I was just poiting out that nobody is hiding when it comes to the filibuster.
In those examples Manchin wasn’t “hiding” before that either.
But going to his state and talking directly to his voters still got him to change position and support the party.
I think I agree with you, but this is phrased a bit weird across your comments. Normally there are chosen “detractors”, a-la Manchin/Sinema. It’s their job to kill this stuff and constantly be the scapegoat, and they get special deals as a reward.
However, if the chosen ones can’t or won’t fulfill this role, there are always corpo establishment dems ready to step in and kill meaningful legislation (ie, your blue dog Dems comment above.) They don’t openly advocate for doing this though, and do prefer to hide behind the scapegoats instead.
How about just abolishing it entirely?
Fuck the filibuster.
In its current form, anyway. I don’t really have a problem with it if it’s employed in its original intended method, i.e. the senator in question actually has to keep talking and cannot yield the floor for the entirety of the amount of time he wants to block something. And preferably, we put him in TV in real-time while he’s doing it. Under very bright lights.
The way it works now where anyone can just say, “We declare filibuster” serves no purpose other than to allow whoever is in the minority (but let’s not kid ourselves, usually Republicans) to infinitely block anything forever without consequences, which is prima facie undemocratic.
We already have two houses and the presidential veto handy to kill legislation. We don’t need another obstruction tool.
Is there really any logical reason why one voter should be allowed to block the entire process like that? The whole filibuster concept is the strangest part of US politics to me.
Functionally, there really isn’t. The only reason it still exists at all is because “tradition.”
I could see how it would be an affordable way to attention to a problematic bill (if it was still done as @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world stated).
I don’t follow what you are saying when that’s what would have to happen to do this?
In 2022, she’s also said she supports removing the filibuster to get voting rights acts and other things through as well
Republicans got rid of the fulibuster for only judicial nominations so they could stack the courts after years of using the filibuster to deny Dem nominations. It isn’t an all or nothing thing.
The wording of getting rid of the filibuster for abortion was previously floated as a one time exception and then keeping around for everything else. This sounded like the same thing, just ending it for the one topic, not ending it in general.
Yes, however, doing it for one type of legislation is opening the same flood gates as any legislation. Given that she’s historically called the filibusted archaic and not something she wants in the way of voting rights as well. I don’t see her wanting it removed narrowly
This would be the typical Dem strategy - extremely targeted so as not to accidentally open the floodgates for additional impactful legislation to get passed. Just barely enough to campaign on for the next election cycle.
But hey, I’ll take a smidgeon of hope for something more.
It’s also the most likely way of getting a bill passed without requiring a Senate super majority. The Grand obstructionist party doesn’t want to lose their one move when they don’t have presidential veto for general so it’s probably going to take a super majority to break up the 30+ year long gridlock since the last amendment was passed, but if you target specific usages and committee procedures you can try to turn the conservative representatives who were personally affected by the law.
Supports it until the day she’s sworn in. We’ve seen this movie before and know how it plays out.
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