• Zombie-Mantis@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    What center?

    Between the Democrats and Republicans? The GOP that wanted to brutalize Pelosi on the steps of the capital? The GOP that laughed when a man with a hammer nearly murdered her husband with a hammer? The GOP that wants to roll back all civil rights to a time before the revolution? The GOP that wants to install a fascist dictatorship?

    Or do you mean the center of where the American public stands?

    The center of what Americans want is a hell of a lot more progressive than you, Nancy.

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      The GOP that wanted to brutalize Pelosi on the steps of the capital? The GOP that laughed when a man with a hammer nearly murdered her husband with a hammer? The GOP that wants to roll back all civil rights to a time before the revolution? The GOP that wants to install a fascist dictatorship?

      You are ascribing the actions of individuals to the entire group. Not every GOP person is a MAGA person and not every MAGA person would resort to violence like some on January 6th. Please allow for some nuance.

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        There is no nuance anymore. If you’re actively supporting the GOP at this point, you ARE MAGA, and if you support MAGA, you’re okay with fascism.

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              All of them did it? We wouldn’t still be standing without McConnell and Pence. As terrible as their policies are they still stood up for the system.

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                  3 months ago

                  I’m not apologizing for anyone. I’m just saying they are not all one person and some of them do the right thing sometimes.

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                  Yes, he did, but that was within the bounds of the law. This person cannot honestly claim that the entire GOP tried to overthrow the government.

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                    The vast majority of the GOP did virtually nothing to stop the steal, and eventually supported MAGA. You are giving them way too much credit.

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                We wouldn’t be having this conversation if McConnell hadn’t protected trump every step of the way. He made a heat of the moment call on J6 that you’re praising him for, but his behavior after the fact tells me he regrets his decision.

                Any credibility McConnell gained on J6, he last 10 fold on February 13th.

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        Not every GOP person is a MAGA person and not every MAGA person would resort to violence like some on January 6th.

        And those that don’t are silent on the face of it (implicitly condoning the behavior) or are shouted down and pushed out of the party. Don’t pretend like the political machine and the voting base don’t support this behavior when they keep putting these people back in office.

        Don’t forget, the GOP was against J6 until they saw the base was for it. Then even the people who could have been in danger said it was ok. So they absolutely support this shit even if they say they don’t.

        Please allow for some nuance.

        In this case, nuance is the excuse used to paper over the support these people have from within the party. Come back when the party machinery and base feel that way, because the individual’s “beliefs” are meaningless due to being a nebulous concept that isn’t supported by their actions.

        Remember, if 10 people are sitting at a table and a Nazi is allowed to sit down, you’ve got 11 Nazis. And until we see evidence of these beliefs actually being held by a sizable amount of them, I’m not going to pretend it exists outside of their fringe.