• Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
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    Old Joe’s got everybody mad at him. Elites. Big money donors. Etc. Everybody it seems bur Democratic voters. Polls are the same as before the debate.

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      5 months ago

      Because those votes are mainly votes against Trump and even a trash can would probably pull in similar protest votes. All the more reason the idea of a better candidate that people are even slightly more enthusiastic over could push those numbers up

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          5 months ago

          There aren’t any democrats that poll better

          Factually untrue.

          This has Biden down 6 points. And Kamala only down 2.

          https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

          But your comparing Biden as “the candidate” with the DNC and millions of dollars of campaign against people that haven’t even said they’re willing to run…

          Obviously anyone else that becomes the candidate would see a significant boost to their numbers both short and long term.

          But others also are polling closer (better) than Biden…

          Several other Democrats have been mentioned as potential Biden replacements in recent days, and each trails Trump among registered voters, with their levels of support similar to Biden’s, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom (48% Trump to 43% Newsom), Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (47% Trump to 43% Buttigieg), and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (47% Trump to 42% Whitmer).

          That’s 4 people polling better than Biden in the last couple days…

          Weird you haven’t seen it yet.

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        5 months ago

        Yeah.

        The vast majority willing to vote for Biden, would vote “blue no matter who”.

        Which means logically, switching candidates is the smartest plan if all that matters is stopping trump.

        But a very small, very vocal group of Biden voters (and even Biden) seem to be lying about what’s most important. I still can’t believe Biden really said he wouldn’t care if he lost.

        If they can’t get Biden. A Republican is their second pick.

        They just won’t admit it.

        But it’s the only logical reason people would be insisting it has to be Biden. Just like Joe, they don’t care if trump wins.